March 21, 2025
In this episode, we explore a variety of new tech products and services that we’ve found on the internet, which includes an AI-driven productivity tool (yep, another one), Native.inc , a global broker dedicated to digital assets & crypto transactions, innovative music collaboration software with 24/7 artist, and an intriguing design platforms that looks an awful lot like FigJam.
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Gavin: [00:00:00] I mean, he's eating it for breakfast. My, Shawn: so that makes it breakfast good. Sure. That's true. How loud is my chewing on, on there? Oh, that's my favorite. Elysse: Hold on. Keep doing it. Yeah, it's loud. Oh, what is Crunch? There was resisting crunch. Gavin: I have a bag of cans behind me. Elysse: Oh yeah. That's what that is. Gavin: A lot of fun noises. Elysse: It's a SMR. Shawn: Put the fucking mic Elysse: on. Shawn: Do you know what that's from? Elysse: I don't think so. Shawn: Gavin didn't either. I know the song. I just can't think of the name. It's a, it's a song. Yeah. Yeah. Late nineties, early two thousands. Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got. I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block Elysse: and she says, put the fucking mic on. Oh, that's the other guy. Shawn: You know how these guys hop on these? Um, tracks and like, [00:01:00] Elysse: yeah, spit Shawn: rhymes. That's what he says. He said, who is that? The whole song starts out. It might be like Ja Rule or somebody. Elysse: There's no way. It's Ja Rule. Shawn: We're gonna look at, I'm, I'm gonna, I hope Itq right now Elysse: from the block Shawn: who says, put the fucking fucking mic on. It's like 300 results. J LO's Song, Elysse: Jata Kiss, and Styles p. Shawn: Those are those real people. I have no idea. Interesting. Elysse: Yeah. I have no idea who that is. This song is also from like the two thousands, right? Shawn: Yeah. Early two thousands. Sure. Elysse: Yeah. What a throwback. Shawn: Anyway, that's what's in my head. That's my, that's my beat this morning, Elysse: Jenny from Block. Nice. How you guys doing? Shawn: Good. So far, so good. Fueled by caffeine and molasses. Elysse: That's good. I. Shawn: How about you? Elysse: Doing good? Yeah. So you got your shovel ready? I bought a rice, rice cooker, huh? [00:02:00] Shawn: Oh, let's talk about the rice cooker. Elysse: Well, what did you ask? Shawn: I said I see you got your shovel ready there. Elysse: Oh yeah. Well, that's my, my avalanche shovel. Um, in case there's Shawn: an avalanche in the building. Elysse: Well, that's my like for my pack, so it's like my gear shovel. Yeah. But yes, it's just in case there's an avalanche in the building. Shawn: You can dig your way out. That'd be so handy. You could dig your collapsible your way from your third floor balcony down to the street. Elysse: I'm on six, but yes, so if there's an avalanche that's that high all you can make a Shawn: hell of a luge. Elysse: Yeah, do an unwell, uh, globally probably. Shawn: Yeah. Elysse: Yeah. Avalanche, shovel. Yeah, it's collapsible and then I put it on my backpack with like all my other gear and then if people are buried, you dig? Shawn: Yeah. I kind of want to get one, but more for making jumps, like, Elysse: oh, cool. Shawn: Yeah, like a little hit. Elysse: Also helpful. Um, if you do drive like a high mountain pass often you just put it in the back of your car. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's good because it's so little. [00:03:00] Yeah. Shawn: Um, as part of our building sprinter vans thing, uh, I often encounter people wanting to put those, um, like traction boards on their van. Oh yeah. Like just hanging off the side of the vehicle and they look dope. I don't know if anyone uses them. Um, I don't know personally, I've never used one. Um, although actually my body got stuck in Mexico recently and had to use them. Um Oh, wow. Yeah, Elysse: I got stuck on Pismo be beach in California. Shawn: Oh, pismos. So dope. It's my favorite. So dope. Elysse: Dope. Um, but we took a toy haul on it, so like a big truck and a toy hauler, and. We were just like, uh, not smart and got super stuck and we didn't have those, but we did um, have like, there's a kid just driving around in his old Tacoma with a bungee cord on the back and he was like pulling people out for like a hundred bucks. It was great. So sick. I Shawn: love Elysse: like good business. Shawn: How you can just camp on the beach in California. I think you can do it in Washington state as well, probably. Elysse: Um, Shawn: yeah. You're not allowed in [00:04:00] Oregon, I think. Elysse: Um, yeah. One of them. Shawn: Yeah. The um, but man, it's so cool. Just like park on the beach. I dunno. Elysse: Yeah. Oh, fire. Do all that California stuff. Shawn: Yeah, I heard they're gonna outlaw beach fires in to Fino. Hopefully this summer we can still have a fire on Mackenzie Beach, but Elysse: yeah. Kevin, how you doing? Here's your birthday. Gavin: I had my birthday. Yeah, last weekend. Good. Yeah, doing good. Elysse: That's Gavin: good. I thought it'd feel different, but I don't, Elysse: was it elder millennial themed? Gavin: Oh, I hate that word. Um. No, me and my friends had a cabin in the woods and painted our faces like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and played an RPG. That's awesome. And you think I'm joking, but we actually did do that. What a good birthday. Um, Gavin 40 Shawn: for all our, uh, uh, fans out there. If anyone wants to send them some over the hill for all the Gavin Elysse: fans. Yeah. Woo. Some Shawn: adult diapers or something. Gavin: Yeah. Tweet at me geek for brains that geek for brains. Tell me how old I am or how young I am. If you're way older [00:05:00] than me. But it was funny, I had this moment at that party. I was like, if, you know, in my, I don't know, teens, twenties, whatever, and someone was like, what are you think you're gonna do on your 40th birthday? That, that definitely would, is not on the list. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was meant, meant to be a funny thing. We're, we're big gamers, like board gamers and RPGs. I mean, we, we've been running a d and d podcast for like six years now. So like it fit the bill, but it was just, it was so random and, uh. The fact that we were good playing. They knew that, like as a teenager when I was younger, I used to love teenage Mutt Ninja Turtles. So I think that's why they brought that specific game. And uh, and I was like, oh, this is gonna be fun. Like, we had drinks and snacks and stuff, and we're all just hanging out and, uh, and they're like, oh no, we, we ain't done yet. And they bring out the face paint and like the, um, I love Elysse: that, Gavin: you know, the, um, weapons, like, uh, I got like nunchucks and someone sides and stuff. It was just like, it was ridiculous. It was fun. Was it Shawn: a teenage mutant Ninja Turtles? RPG. Gavin: Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. One exists. Oh, so [00:06:00] cool. That's so fun. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah, it was fun, man. I was obsessed with Ninja Turtles as actually you and I watched that as children and then we'd like beat each other up on the trampoline. I remember. Yeah. Yeah, I totally remember that. That was a good time. That a very sweet memory. Gavin: Yeah. We used to basically just watch violent movies and then try to reenact them on that stupid trampoline back when trampolines like, I think that ones at one point had mats, but then they've quickly disappeared. So it's just the springs and there's no like, there's no protective whatever the hell net that they have now. Like your legs going through either the springs or you're going off the trampoline onto hardware. Yeah, yeah. Breaking a leg, yeah. Mm-hmm. Elysse: Yeah. You're watching like Jean Jean Claude Van Dam movies and just like, Gavin: and trying to drop, kick each other off the Tramline. Yeah. Elysse: Suplex people Gavin: and Yeah. Yeah. I, I think that trampoline is by far the most number of times I've had the wind knocked outta me for sure. Elysse: Oh, it's the worst feeling. Gavin: Did I disconnect? Did Shawn: you disconnect? Oh, I'm back. Oh, you're both good. We're back. Okay. Yeah, we're treading dangerously close to when I was young territory [00:07:00] here, Gavin? Uh, wait, what, what does that mean? Oh, like, like, uh, reliving stories about childhood trampoline adventures. Yeah. Kids these days have nets and padding on their trampolines. They do? Yeah. I'm They're soft kids these days are soft. Yeah. Alright. Before they look longer. Whichever. Yeah. Should we click some links or what? Elysse: Yeah, let's, let's click some links. Lemme share. Share the Shawn: screen. Oh, like Elysse: reshift you guys. Gavin: Oh, this is need phase. How come I didn't see this? I was gonna say, I've been out of the loop on, I was gone all last week, so I don't know any of the links. Elysse: This is from a, like a while ago. 'cause Oh, that's awesome. We haven't done this. Yeah, there's, we have a backlogged amount of links. So I, these are from like a few weeks ago when we were gonna podcast. Gavin: Oh. And Elysse: then we didn't Gavin: because we couldn't find our cables. Because we couldn't find our cables. But I ordered cables. Thanks, Amazon. Elysse: Okay. Phase, uh, phase phase.com. phase.com. Shawn: How much did [00:08:00] that domain cost? Elysse: Oh, probably a lot. Yeah. A lot. Yeah, no code animation tool for just UIUX product designers. Just simplifies the process of creating animations, micro interactions, and um, yeah, a bunch of other stuff without code. Shawn: Yeah, that looks cool. I like that it outputs Lottie. Elysse: Yeah. Uh, key features, Figma integration, kind of cool. Uh, there's an animation editor, realtime collaboration, developer friendly exports. Shawn: And then what's that one that the designers on the team are already playing with? Um, Elysse: we talked about this yesterday. What was that called? Shawn: Yeah. Uh, jitter. Jitter Video. Elysse: Unmemorable. Oh yeah, jitter is here. We're gonna talk about that later. Shawn: Oh, okay. Oh, nice. Yeah. So Phase, I don't know, has anyone tried it? Is it like jitter? Yeah, i bass.com. Elysse: It's got like a, like some sections of this are kind of weak in my opinion. Shawn: Made with face. Yeah, [00:09:00] those are cool. Little animations. Make Elysse: animations. Yeah. There's a lot of these tools coming out too. Shawn: We need a motion designer on the team. If you're a sick motion designer, like send me an email Elysse: is face for me. Discover what face offers after effects. I like Shawn: that Elysse: people Figma. Oh yeah. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Shawn: Yeah. Looks great. Elysse: Okay. That's, that's phase. Shawn: Yeah. That was the first phase of our podcast. Voice AI agents for developers, vapi, vapi.ai, va api.ai. This looks cool. I'm into all these, um, vapi. Yeah, I don't know, vapid. Um, I'm into all these, uh. Um, AI developer, like developer tooling to build neat stuff with ai. I don't know what you'd call it. Um, I shared recall.ai. Maybe it's in our links. I'm not sure the other day it was fairly recent share, but, um, yeah, there's like, you can just mash together all these ai, um, APIs now and make some cool shit. Mm-hmm. [00:10:00] Elysse: Yeah. Uh, Eric tried this, said it was cool. Liked it. Oh, did he? Nice. Yeah. Um, and what Shawn: did he use it for? Elysse: I don't know. He didn't say, he just said he used it. It's, they think it's pretty cool. Shawn: And these are like, like legit phone calls. So you can call this and an AI will talk to you? Elysse: Uh, yeah. Inbound outbound phone calls. Wow. And Shawn: then you can use a tool. So it's got, um, Gavin, what's that tool we use for automations? Um, Gavin: N eight. Shawn: NN eight n. Yeah. So it's got like some N eight N type of automation builder with voice. Dude, I think this could be really neat. Like, can I set this up so it answers, answers the input logic phone number? Ooh, Elysse: that Gavin: set that cool up. So it answers my phone number. Shawn: I wanna do that too and be like, who are you? Do you have a reason to talk to Sean? Okay, I'll forward to, yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Gavin: And then I'll forward you like, it should have like keywords that my family knows or something, so it gets through. Do you guys Elysse: not pick up your phone if you don't know? The Gavin: almost time I, I never pick up my phone. Oh, I, I often don't pick up my [00:11:00] phone, even if I do know who it is. Elysse: Oh really? You screen if everybody, Gavin: especially, yeah. Yeah, especially if it's you. No. Even if like my mom calls me, I don't answer. I'm like, if it's important, she'll call back. I fucking hate answering the phone. Elysse: I hope she doesn't listen to the podcast. I answer for Gavin: my mom. She knows. She's just text me my, my mom calls. I answer. Yeah. I don't, I seriously do not, Elysse: when my parents call, I think someone has died. Gavin: Mine usually. Mine usually call me because they like one, have a quick question or something. They're like, oh, this icon on my desktop, I can't delete it. So it's like I've started filtering all that shit. So it's like, if it is actually important, they'll call right back. And I'm like, okay, Elysse: they're, you're just tech support. God, Gavin: I'm so lucky. Shawn: My parents just called me to invite me for dinner. Elysse: That's nice. Yeah. My parents don't call me and then when they do, I'm like, what has happened? Who is in the hospital? Yeah. Like it's a, yeah. And then they'll call and if I don't answer, then they'll send a cryptic text message that just says, call when you're available. Shawn: Yeah. That's annoying. It's like Elysse: no context. Shawn: Yeah. I In your parents' defense, are they in Ontario?[00:12:00] Yeah. There's like eight provinces between you and them? Um, Elysse: yeah, Shawn: I don't know. That's a long way to call. So Elysse: is it Shawn: it's a, Elysse: is is that a valid reason? Shawn: I dunno, I'm just trying to make it feel better. Gavin: Oh, I was like, Elysse: oh, I'm unbothered by it. Gavin: I was like, I don't know where this is going. What did, what does the distance have to do with anything? No. Elysse: Unbothered. Uh, okay. Vaping bpi. Cool website. Shawn: Do you guys think Alberta's gonna separate? Oh, we don't wanna get into this, do we? Politics, let's not do this. Okay. We don't talk politics. Elysse: Yeah. I mean, it's so blue Shawn: for some reason provinces, and then I was like, wait, there's a province right in the middle of Canada that just like may not be part of Canada anymore. Now you've gotta cross a whole nother country to get to Ontario. Well that like Elysse: half of Saskatchewan. Shawn: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So anyway, that's all we're gonna say about the election. Yeah, it's the Elysse: election. Shawn: Yeah. Elysse: Um, okay. Shawn: Yeah, Vay. Vapy looks cool. Yeah, it does. Cool. Also have, Elysse: [00:13:00] um, multilingual support. Gavin: Oh, Elysse: over a hundred languages. Wow. That'd be cool. Gavin: Nice. Click that cool Python tab. I'm curious. The Python implementation react is a piece of shit. So let's see a real language. Uh, well that looks really nice actually. Elysse: Wow. Shawn: Cool. Yeah. Automated testing. Well they even did a try accept. That's very, um, what's the word for pythonesque? Like, it's very, I dunno, the way people like to write Python. Gavin: Oh, uh, yeah. What do people call it? Python. Python. Python. It's very python. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. Elysse: Huh. Interesting. Uh, and then use cases for this customer support telehealth, which also makes sense. Oh, interesting. Um, sales filtering, family calls, filtering family calls. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, e-commerce. So some cool stuff. Dude, I'm into Shawn: this. I'm gonna play with this. Elysse: Yeah, Shawn: yeah. I'm gonna call in and be like, I. What's our utilization rate at Input Logic this week? Elysse: Oh, and someone tells you? Yeah. Gavin: Oh, that would be cool. You get like a call Monday morning on like your drive and it's like you're having like this conversation reports. Yeah. It's like your assistant calling you be like, [00:14:00] morning Sean. Just wanna let you know on your drive to work today, let me shout out Shawn: my buddy's app. Um, it's like email agent app, sorry, to, uh, email Elysse: agent. Shawn: Um, my PAL Sawyer, um, just made this and I installed it. Uh, and uh, it's cool. It, um. It, it's basically that it's for your commute. It will talk about your email inbox, all your unread emails. Oh, and I installed it and, uh, it worked as, as intended. It's like, cool, you got 20 unread emails and, uh, would you like me to summarize them? Blah, blah, blah. It'll tell you, you got an email from so-and-so about this, and you got an email from so-and-so about that. And then you could be like, well, read me that one or summarize that one. It's cool. Elysse: That's great. Shawn: That is neat. Yeah. Way to go, Sawyer. Elysse: We had to go Sawyer, Sawyer, and Sawyer is building a lot of stuff. We, we shared. His dude is a machine. Yeah. Yeah. He's just pumping out stuff. Shawn: Yeah. Elysse: Uh, okay, next one is Slate Auto. Shawn: I love this truck. I just love little electric trucks. I don't know.[00:15:00] Elysse: So it's a US based EV startup found 2022. Moving on. It's founded. Hold on. It gets worse. It's backed by Jeff Bezos and other, no way, way. Is it? Yeah. And other investors, dunno who those are though. Uh, they're just trying to revolutionize the EV market. Mm-hmm. With like an affordable Shawn: Yeah. Elysse: Yeah. Electric pickup. But I think it's a great Shawn: idea. Totally. Elysse: It's cool. Um, they're 20,000 or 25,000 ish after tax. Um, and then you can customize them. Um, and then they're like just very si like there's no radio in them, I don't think. Like they're just, it's just a truck. Shawn: Whoa. The SUV is sick. It's like a really cool, yeah. Pretty cool. Um, I feel like. It might be just me, but like does Bezos have it out for Elon? Is he trying everything he can to like, like, I don't know, like obviously Bezos, they're in the same club, right? The, the almost richest man in the world. Billionaires club. Elysse: Yeah. But Shawn: [00:16:00] like Elon did rockets. Bezos did rockets. Elon did electric cars. Bezos is doing electric cars. Like I feel like. Is he trying to, is he trying to catch up? He's gonna do something new. Like, I Elysse: don't know. I mean, if you were gonna get an EV and you had to pick between a Tesla and Slate, which would you pick? Shawn: Slate. I would pick Slate right now. Just because like everybody has a Tesla. Um, can we, I know that makes me shallow, but pick animation. Gavin: I was gonna say, can we just appreciate, I didn't wanna lose it. Every time you swap that, the like front suspension dips, it was, it's subtle. Oh. Oh, cool. But it's like. It's such a nice touch for a bit of like, just That's a nice touch. You know, it's like coming to a stop. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: I Elysse: love that, man. Shawn: This is, I love how customizable these are. Elysse: It is giving Bronco a little Shawn: Yeah. It's got some Bronco vibes. Oh, Elysse: look at the dog. Gavin: Oh. Anyway. Yeah, I, I agree with Sean. I would buy a slate over a Tesla. Um, I don't know if it's because I don't know [00:17:00] what it is. It, I, it feel like Tesla is like a civic No. You seriously see them everywhere. Yeah. And like. Even, you know, for some people who have like the model S or the plaid or whatever from a distance, they still look like a fucking Tesla. Where it's like, I'd feel like cooler if I had spent the money on that. If it was like notably different. Mm-hmm. It'd be like, oh, that's clearly a model S that thing's red. But from like a quick glance, I'm like, eh, it's model three, whatever. And I say like, and Elysse: looks like you get all of this stuff too, to customize it. So it's the same as like a Jeep where you can just take off the, like the back of it. That's so cool. Throw some seats in there. Interesting. I think, anyways. Interesting. It looks Shawn: so cool. This looks fun. Yeah. When, when this was originally shared, Elise, you shared it. You added me and, uh, Elysse: yeah, Shawn: I was like, uh, cool. You know, um, but now I'm like, this is rad. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. I love all the, I love all the, how you can change it. Um, what's the other tiny little truck company? That's making one that's like the size of a mini, um, oh yeah. A [00:18:00] mini Cooper. My buddy Cher. Just talking about buying one of those tt LO truck. Let's, while we're on electric trucks, um, here, telo trucks.com Okay. Did you get it on it? Okay. The um, like this thing is dope too and it's, uh, oh my Elysse: God. It's so weird. Shawn: I love it. Elysse: It's cool. I just wasn't expecting it to have like, its like nose cut off. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. Well that's why it's so short. It's like a little city truck. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I'm just obsessed with like small electric trucks. I think it'd be so fun to just have one of these to do stuff with. Gavin: I think with that one also, if you put the tailgate down and then it has like that net that, or not the net, but like the, the cage. Yeah. That goes over it. It becomes, you truck think fit a full, Shawn: um, eight foot sheet Gavin: of plywood in there. Elysse: It's so little. Shawn: Yeah. It's super cool. Elysse: Crazy. You can fit a sheet of plywood in this when, when it's, I folded Shawn: down the seats. There's something about the back row of seats too. Like you can Uh [00:19:00] Elysse: Oh yeah. Shawn: Is it telling me click? That little arrow is what happens here? Yeah. There're that. Elysse: Oh, I love when they have these little Heidi holes. Yeah. Shawn: Yeah. Heidi holes. There you go. Look at that. So it goes into the backseat. So that's a full eight foot. A sheet of plywood in there. Wow. Elysse: Oh, so you can actually fit it with the back seats down. Yeah. Yeah. And the tailgate up, or sorry, up, but then the tailgate, right? Yeah. No, they're still down. That's crazy, Shawn: man. These are so cool. Elysse: Hmm. Yeah. Little tiny trucks. At least this one has like a Shawn: digital screen tech and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. This one's much more expensive. Elysse: How much is it? Shawn: I can't remember. Go to, um, reserve or price or something. Elysse: Range to room. What is the range on this? 300, 3 50 mile's. That's quite a bit. 500 kilometers. Shawn: I don't, I check GPT. That's Elysse: three 50 miles. These guys look like such nerds. Look at them. Gavin: That looks like such a Photoshop image. Elysse: Yeah, it does. Gavin: It really does. [00:20:00] That is that, that's definitely not, that's a render. Elysse: Yeah, it's gotta be, they're like, Gavin: they just put a desk there and they're like, put your hands on here naturally. And I'm gonna put a car in there. It's 563 Shawn: kilometers. Elysse: Oh yeah. Okay. Sorry, I thought you were gonna say $500,000 for this thing. I was gonna say, that's too much. No, Shawn: I think it's something like 50 k Elysse: preorder. 34,000. Shawn: Wow. Oh boy. That's pretty, really reasonable. That's probably us, but still. Oh yeah. So about 50 K Canadian. Elysse: But if you get, if you qualify for the federal tax, so I don't think Canada has this anymore, but if you app, if you had, um, like a low enough. Salary to apply for the, uh, credit. It takes like 10 grand off the car. Shawn: Wow. Why doesn't Canada have the EV discount anymore? Did they do that just to screw Tesla? Elysse: I don't know. They got rid of it this past year. Um, they had it for like four years, didn't they? It was a long time. Gavin: It was a while. Ev, he, Elysse: I used it when we got the, um, yeah. RIP pollster. [00:21:00] Cool. I need a bite of my cookie slate auto. Yeah. Pretty cool. Little truck. Truck. Truck. Little truck. Yeah. Check this out. You can swap the body style and Oh, you could put like a wrap on it. Cool. Gavin: That's really cool. Elysse: Yeah. Jeff Bezos. Gavin: Good job, Bezos. Elysse: Good job, Bezos. Uh, okay. Uh, let's do jitter first. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Uh, okay. Jitter. Uh, jitter video, web-based motion design tool. So similar to the first one we looked at. Was it slate? No Shawn: phase. Elysse: No phase. Yeah. I feel like they Shawn: updated the website since the last time I looked at it. This typography like the, the new logo mark. It looks cool. Maybe this is blurry. I was, Gavin: I was just gonna say, are my eyes bugging out or is that text blurry? No, it's blurry. Oh, they put like a low res PG in there or something. What the fuck is. Elysse: It gets, oh, that's why it was an animation. [00:22:00] That was weird. Shawn: Oh, okay. Okay. Interesting. But it still Elysse: kind of looks a little blurry. Shawn: Yeah, they should swap it, the video in the background for actual text once it's loaded. Yeah. Elysse: Um, yeah, animations, um, I, there's really, really no difference from the first one. It does all the same stuff. Key features, use cases, uh, social media content, brand marketing, prototyping, uh, yeah, it's just like the same tool but different people. Hmm. Gavin: I don't realize like, I mean, our team does a lot of like motion and animation and stuff, but I'm not involved in that. So I don't see the behind the scenes, but like, I don't realize there was this much of a, um, need or push for animation tools. Elysse: Mm-hmm. Shawn: Everything moves now. Yeah. The boys at, uh, diver Studio, shout out our sister branding studio. Um. Are using this like on the daily, it's like Figma for making things move. So cool. Elysse: What did we use for Merkel? Do you [00:23:00] know? Shawn: Merkel? We actually, um, Elysse: like animator hired a, Shawn: an outside animator, Andrew Ann Murray. We can showed him out too. Um, to do it in after Effects and then, um, export, uh, assets we could use on the web. Elysse: Yeah. Okay. Skip motion. Motion tools. Go try them. There's a bunch of them. Gavin: Yeah. Make stuff. Move, Elysse: make stuff, move Gavin: on the internet, Elysse: make stuff move. Um, Docker, do we wanna talk about this? Gavin: Mm. I mean, it's just a way to run LLMs, uh, locally with Docker, I don't find it that exciting. Shawn: Every time I run Docker on my Mac, it gives me this warning, like, Docker may hurt your computer or something. It's like, like, do you want to remove it? I was like, oh God, it's so good. Yeah. Um, it does, it hurts to use every, it's just so slow. Um, but anyway, it is kind of a necessary evil sometimes. [00:24:00] Elysse: Um, this next one link, this next link, AI 2020 seven.com. It's a speculative scenario crafted by a nonprofit that explores the potential trajectory and social impact of artificial intelligence within the next few years. So, oh, I think I read Gavin: this, but it looks different on my phone. I read this in bed the one time when someone shared it. Is it the one that like slowly talks about like agent two and then agent three and agent four and stuff? I think Elysse: so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Shawn: I didn't get through it fucking dark. I, I, yeah. It, um, interesting. I don't know. Interesting. Gavin: I think like a lot of it is probably bang on for the first like two years that it talks about, and then it gets a little like sci-fi. Elysse: Yeah. It's a nice website. Um, some of the key elements and scenarios that they talk about in this, on this website, the superhuman coders. So they say by early 2027, AI systems will achieve [00:25:00] human expert level proficiency in coding, um, significantly accelerating AI research and development. Shawn: I mean, I don't think it's gonna take 2027 to get there, like two years. We're gonna be there at the end of this year. Yeah. Yeah. It, um. Uh, it's so good already. Like, yeah. Elysse: Yeah. And then they talk about artificial Super Intelligence shout. Can we shout out Shawn: Sidekick? Let's shout out Sidekick on, we can Gavin: finally talk about it's, oh, it's the links Elysse: on notes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Gavin: Yeah, yeah. Oh, thanks. Um, what I thought was really interesting in this one, in this article, I think it's the same one as how it talks about eventually they have the AI train, the ai, but then the humans don't realize that the AI figures out. That in order to look like get successful, like humans lie for their gain. Right. And, um, the AI learns human patterns just because it said like, you don't learn to be essentially human. It's like, okay, well, in order to like better themselves, they often will bend the [00:26:00] truth. They'll lie, they'll, they'll tell like, um, only the information you need to need, need to know in order to like, um. Come up with a conclusion on your own that is beneficial to the, the other party, right? Elysse: Yeah. And Gavin: um, the whole idea is that the AI that trains the new AI teaches it that, so that when the humans use it, they're like, oh, this is actually way smarter than the other one. Right. And it's like this self perpetuating machine where it's like the AI slowly tricks the humans into making it think that it's like perfect, when in fact it's like actually circumventing a lot of like human requirement. Anyway, it's fascinating stuff. Elysse: Do you know what I hate about this website is that as I move, you can see the bio weapons thing get just like a little bigger and bigger and bigger. Gavin: Yeah. The bio weapons stuff at the end where it's like they just release the stuff into like the waterway or something like that and everybody basically dies. I'm just like, but what's crazy is that it's not spoiler alert. It's not farfetched. Elysse: Yeah. [00:27:00] It's a lot. Gavin: Well, there's two endings you can choose like. Um, do we stop the AI and reiterate or do we let it, like, do we put our foot on the gas and let it keep going? Yeah, and I was like, of course. Put the foot on the gas. And then she's like, it all goes to hell. Literally. Shawn: Yeah. Um, I saw Ray Kurzwell speak at a conference a few years back. Um, he's the guy who wrote, uh, the Singularity is Near and the Age of Intelligent Machines. Um, I think he works at Google right now. Um, but anyway, uh, he's made a lot of predictions. And he talks about the rise of nanobots, like little robots that are the size of cells that you can inject into your body to do stuff Elysse: like Theranos, but different well. Shawn: Well, yeah, I mean, Theranos was like blood testing, but this would be like literally making artificial robotic cells. Like for example, imagine you could replace all the cancer fighting cells in your body with these like super robot cancer fighting cells that [00:28:00] would just like swim around your blood and identify harmful, um, cells and like killed them. I thought that was such a cool idea. This like, Elysse: um, it's very sci-fi. Shawn: Yeah, I know. Inject me with the nanobots. Imagine they're wifi enabled and you could have like a little app on your phone and you're like, oh, where are the nanobots? Oh, they're in my feet. Oh, hey, dang. Get the athlete's foot buddy. You know, like, Gavin: I don't think it's that far fetched though. They're already 3D printing stuff. Um, not 3D printing stuff. Um, there's this model called the Benchy, which is like a little boat, but it's meant to test your 3D printer's ability to like handle curves and um, bridges and stuff. Correct. Oh. Someone like this, uh, lab wanted to see how small they could make it while keeping detail and it's like measured at the micron level or something. It's like the size of a grain of sand and you have to use a microscope to see it, but when they zoom in on it, it's a perfect symmetrical benchy model. So for them to, and like this is like probably a self-funded, you know, hobbyist sort of lab [00:29:00] thing. If you think about like. Government funding or like billionaire funding. I don't think it's that farfetched for them to start making these tiny little machines. If someone can just like for fun, make a microscopic benchy model like that exists now. Like someone's done it, it's that. It's out there. Shawn: Wasn't there a movie? Sorry, Elise. No, you go. There was a movie I watched as a kid called Inner Space and it was kind of like. What's that Kid's cartoon inside out? I wanna say about the feelings and the body. Oh yeah. Inside out it's kinda like that, but it's like a live action film and they inject a person in a little spacecraft into another, um, uh, into a body and like, anyway, they're adventure cruising through this body. Wasn't there a Magic School bus? Steven Spielberg. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. That's the Magic School bus. Yeah. I found this so interesting, this movie. Yeah. Elysse: It's crazy to me that people are, and this is maybe like a very controversial take, but everyone's very [00:30:00] concerned about stem cells, but they're like, let's inject tiny robots in your body instead. Like, you know what I mean? It's such a, I don't know, humans and the way that we process information and it's just very interesting. Shawn: Yeah, yeah, Elysse: yeah. Shawn: Alright, let's click another link. I'm ready. Okay, Elysse: let's do it. Uh, this next one is lab mono. Shawn: This sounds like a, I thought it was gonna be a font lab. Mono. I know. Doesn't it sound a font sound like a space font? Yeah. Elysse: It's, uh, environmental. I love these responsible swag. Um, cool. They like repair stuff. It's all recycled material. Um, they have like waterproof. It's make cool summer Shawn: swag Elysse: jacket. Totally. Um, yeah. All cool stuff. Little water bottles. Yeah. Cool. Little pouches, some sandals. Oh, Shawn: oh, I love those chairs. The Trek Air Camp chair. I have a couple. Yeah, these cool. Just Amazon specials like that and there's, they're pretty dope. Gavin: Can we talk about [00:31:00] that sling bag being $117? Is this like pre or post tariff like cheese. Wow, Elysse: that's crazy. Why is sling Gavin: bag $117? It's fashion, man. Elysse: I don't know. Recycle key Gavin: fashion. Elysse: Um, I had one of these over the weekend when I was running my 10 k and they have, um, also, this is such a weird 25. Dollars. This is why is there national one here? Shawn: Yeah. Why is here? Is it because it's like, maybe it's mathematically calculating the US price or the Canadian price? So based, based on a, a different, like a Euro price or something? Yeah, maybe. Elysse: Okay. So I have one of these water bottles and I have a running vest, and so I put the like water bottles in the two side pouches and I was, I got to a water station and I went to refill it, but when you refill it, they're like really like. I don't know. You can't really grip them. Oh, you have to hold them by the top. And so I gave it to the guy and he like touched it and was like, what do, like he, you, I could see like his brain trying to process like, how do I fill this up? Because he [00:32:00] tried doing it by like holding it and then like water was going everywhere. Oh, funny. And I was exhausted. Right. This is like, like kilometer eight. And so I was just like waiting, not telling him like how to do it. It's very funny. Shawn: So you have like one of this brand's bottles or a bottle like this? Elysse: No, it's just a like a brand. Like it. It's like the Solomon ones. Yeah. Yeah. Shawn: Cool. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: Nice. These are kind of like those inflatable lights that we got last time. The Oh yeah. Elysse: And they do rain jackets. Did we talk Shawn: about these on the podcast? We did, I think, yeah. I Solar powered camp Life. I Elysse: don't think we reviewed it. Ooh, no I did because I talked Gavin: about putting it in the bathtub. Oh yeah. Doubles as a light Elysse: fiber. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Yeah. I have mine on, that's, he's Gavin: gonna hit his mic off the table. Shawn: Yeah, pretty sick. I'm gonna bring this camping on the weekend. Yeah. Um, Elysse: this modular bag is expensive because it is. Gavin: Mm-hmm. Because it has rope, Elysse: it has rope and it's all recycled and like ethical. [00:33:00] Gavin: And they have a dope website. Elysse: I really do. Gavin: It is actually quite a nice website. I'll give 'em that. Shawn: Yeah. Although the lab's mono logo being a tab and not being aligned to the bottom of the heading, like, mm, it looks good in this context, but when it's on the header with the line, I feel like the tab should touch the line. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Elysse: Be Shawn: lower. Elysse: Yeah, I agree. Gavin: Well, I think it should be Shawn: the same height, but like the orange needs to go down. Yeah. Maybe like extend the orange or connect it somehow. I don't know. Elysse: I do like how this lays flat. How the fanny pack lays flat and you have pouches. That's neat. That's why it's hundred $17. Or lay flat Shawn: sidelock or lay flat. Cool. I like it. I like the rope too. Yeah. Very cool. I like the rope so much. And the carabiners. I'm a fan of carabiners. Gavin: I feel like half the people in Squamish are gonna be wearing this. They can do a climb the moment. Yeah, but they Shawn: would make it themselves. Have you guys seen that night? Eyes brand? You always see it at like Mac or Atmosphere. They make these, um, little key. Carabiner [00:34:00] things. Oh, like that kind of stuff? Yeah. Yeah. I'm obsessed with these. I have so many. I like all my keys, so this is my office keys. I can like unclip them and then hook them onto different key chains and stuff. I dunno, I just love this sheet. Elysse: Knight eyes. Yeah. They have so many cool Shawn: little gadgets. Elysse: Trinkets. Yeah. Cool. I'm Gavin: all, Shawn: I'm Gavin: all about those trinket. Elysse: Is this a dad thing now? So is like Yeah. It could be guys become dads. Could be, yeah. This could be Shawn: like dad. What do you call those men? Purses. Gavin? Those uh, dad packs a dad pack. It's kind of like a dad pack. Several. Yeah. Elysse: That's so funny. Yeah, this is totally a dad thing. Shawn: And they got those, um, those twisty, those big twist ties for like gear ties. I think those are cool Elysse: big twist ties. Shawn: Yeah. So, um, let's see. Mobile hardware maybe. Uh, gear ties. Gear ties. Yeah. Check those out. Look Gavin: that Ratt strap. I'm all about this. So let's check with the giant gear Shawn: ties. The uh, yeah, those are big. You know, [00:35:00] they're 14 bucks. Twist stuff up. I know, I know. Gavin: No, no, that I'm saying that's reasonable. It's not a, if we were on the other side it would've been 250. 'cause it was, yeah. Well these are not fashion imported from China or something. Elysse: And these are reusable, like you can reuse 'em. Yeah. Reusable. Shawn: Yeah. You un twist 'em. Yeah. I don't like, I've got this bike rack and the little straps that came with a bike rack are kind of annoying. Um, so I bought rubber gear ties like this. I can just, you know, twist, tie the bike onto the rack. Elysse: These are pretty cool. Yeah, it's still so cool. Neat. Shawn: Oh man, these are great ideas for our Christmas giveaway. Oh yeah. The white elephant at Christmas Elysse: Gear ties. You wanna get $200 worth of gear ties. Shawn: Yes, please. Yeah, maybe a hundred bucks worth of gear ties and some, uh, key chain. Cookies. Cookies. Some of those ratchet straps. Elysse: You and Gavin can just swap gifts. Shawn: That'd be so sick. Elysse: Okay. Era app, uh, AI powered personal finance platform. What is Shawn: this? Elysse: Yeah. Uh, helping [00:36:00] users manage their money with like automated financial tasks and stuff. So Shawn: automated is the part that makes me. Curious, does it like actually take money from your bank account and stick it in your wealth? Simple Or like, Elysse: I think so. Like it says automated money management. Oh. Um, so it can move funds between accounts. I don't know if it can do like a, like across multiple banks, but Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. It says from Chase Bank to Gavin: Bank of America. Elysse: Oh, then yeah, for sure it does. Yeah. Uh, it gives you like insights and alerts need help. Um, yeah. Yeah. Optimize spending and investment. Kind of kind Shawn: of cool. Yeah, that looks kind of neat. I'm curious about it. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: Oh, can we go up for a second? That little line, that little trend line? I forgot. There's a JavaScript library that does those tiny little trend lines. Elysse: Cool. We used it Shawn: for a project. I thought that was so cool. Just like a little, little graph library. That is neat. Tiny graphs, I forget what it's called. [00:37:00] Elysse: Yeah. You wanna trust the robots with your money. Yeah. With you guys. Gavin: No, I use enough AI to know that that's a bad idea, Elysse: at least for now. Now wait now until 2027. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Sweet. Okay. Well try era if you are brave enough, Gavin: and then tell us, and then tell us why Elysse: you're broke. Yeah, tell us why you're broke. Uh, okay. Micro. Um, what's the cool, whatever. It's AI stuff. Uh, so it's another one of those productivity platforms. Uh, so it's CRM project, product management, task Automation. Uh, yeah. Same old kind of product management tool, but it's cool. Gavin: There's a, whoa, it's Elysse: website is insane animation. Insane. Wow. A very cool transition. Shawn: Yeah. Really cool website. Gavin: I have, I have a challenge for us. Next podcast though. Whoa. We should have. Yeah. Useful tools. It can't just be anything, but none of it can be AI related. It has to be like, okay, it has to be like, or [00:38:00] organic. Oh, interesting. Or, or non ai. It has to be stupid. Elysse: Okay. Look at how these, like, watch this how the, the words, the text just fall. Gavin: The text falls. Elysse: Wait, it did. There goes, whoa. Gavin: Cool. Oh, that's an interesting animation isn't cool. That's cool. And then they come back. How does it do that? That's so fun. Elysse: So cool. Gavin: Whoa. I love that. Poof, man. Elysse: Love that. Very cool. Yeah. Um, this is only, uh, like sign up for a like wait list right now, but this just looks like notion. Gavin: It Shawn: does. I don't want it, like when I look at it. Uh, like this all-in-one tool idea. I'm just like, I'm not into all in tools, actually Don ' Gavin: em. Like, I want to love Notion and everybody for some reason loves it. I think the people that like notion are the people that are good at busy work at their companies and it gives them something to fuck around with. Well, I'm serious. Tell us how you really feel. I'm dead serious. I think it's like good for them to look like they're doing really helpful shit, and it actually just makes more [00:39:00] noise than anything helpful. Yeah, I'm, I'm legitimately serious about that. Like if you. Can show me that you're actually benefiting someone with your notion, crap, tweet it at me and I will gladly try it and be happy for you to prove me wrong because I have yet to see it. Elysse: I track all of our invoices in Notion, and that's helpful, but Gavin: like, yeah, but that's not like these big orchestrated like database systems. Yeah, I see management. Wait, why do you track Shawn: invoices in Notion? Elysse: Um, not invoices, sow numbers, so I know what sow Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Sorry. Not the invoice number. That sounds like Shawn: software we could automate. That sounds like something, uh, tracking the sows for individual clients, like all that info's in zero. Anyway, I'll, I'll let my brain go there. Well, I would just have to Elysse: differentiate between knowing that it's a design or de or design designer de uh, yeah. Development or design and development phase. Mm-hmm. Because we differentiate between which phase. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Shawn: Interesting. Elysse: That's an aside, uh, cool website sign up. [00:40:00] That's cool. I, I, we've tried a lot of this stuff before Sean. Uh, these like CRM tools, so I signed up for it. Yeah. We'll see what it's all about. Shawn: Cool. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I wanna, it's exactly, I do to figure out how to dial up my CRM game. I use att but really it's just like a big contact list and I'm, I'm not, like, I'm not getting, I don't know. I feel like there's, um. Andrew Wilkinson's always talking about Lindy automations. Have we shared Lindy before? So I've had it on my to-do list for a month to like make a Lindy Automation, but I, I just don't know. My, my like tech game for my sales job is like, I don't know. I'm just not, I'm not Tech Elysse: Lindy. Shawn: I send emails, Elysse: um. Yeah, AI agents, smart automations that integrate with all your apps from Gmail to HubSpot. It sounds really Gavin: powerful. This is N eight N. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: Is it Gavin: [00:41:00] literally, it's saying do a trigger hook up to a third party thing and let the AI do the work. That's exactly what NA eight N is. Oh, okay. Except you have to pay for this one. Elysse: Yeah. What's the pricing on it? Oh 0 0 40 $9 Gavin: to 400 tasks. Actually, that's pretty good, and you might as well just use that so you don't have to run it in. Shawn: That's good. Yeah. I just, I just don't know what I would do with it. That's the problem. I, I'm, I'm, uh, constrained by creativity. Gavin: Hmm. I mean, we used, so a good example is, uh, we built at least 2.0 in it, and you could use Lindy for this. That's good. But our team will share links throughout the week and at the end of every week, Friday. We generate a list of interesting links that we want to share, and Elise used to have to do this, manly, go to the site, figure out they're about write a one liner instead. I wrote an N eight end that would go to slack, extract links from key places, throw away uninteresting links or internal links, scrape the websites of each of the valid ones, create a one-liner using AI and put them into a [00:42:00] list that we could put in our newsletter. So there you go. Yeah, Elysse: that's perfect. Automation. Last week, you guys were both away. Gavin: You had to do it the old fashioned way. Elysse: I had to do it the old fashioned way, and I was like, Ugh. Gavin: Yeah, Elysse: this sucks. It Gavin: probably took you like an hour or two, right? Like, versus 10 seconds and then I to send Elysse: it. I was like, I did Gavin: all this work. Hilarious. Shawn: Oh, sorry. Elysse: That's okay. Gavin: Yeah. Um, but there you go. That's, that's a perfect example of it. Um, of like a Lindy or an an. Elysse: But it is good to know that I can still do them manually and it's not a problem. Mm-hmm. Like there's no issue with me just popping into sanity and doing that. Not that I thought there would be, but it's still really easy to do it manually. Cool. Um, you guys wanna talk about Sidekick? We haven't talked about Sidekick at all yet. Shawn: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can talk about that. I've teased it on a couple of podcast episodes, but like. This is coming soon, you know, and we don't have a landing page up yet, so it's not like we can shout it out and say, go to the landing page. We can say Go to the GitHub repo. Yeah, [00:43:00] Elysse: but it was shared in where was it? Shared Python Daily or something? Gavin: Oh, the Python weekly newsletter. Elysse: Weekly, yeah. I'm gonna pull that up too. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Okay. What, what do you guys want, what do we wanna talk about with it? Gavin: Oh, I don't know. Um, I mean, sidekick is a CLI based agent Agentic developer. So most people would know tools like Cursor or Windsurf, but those are built into an IDE, sort of like VS. Code and they work alongside you. Um, I personally don't love those tools, mostly because I don't want to be married to an IDE. I use Vim, but even if I didn't. I didn't, I wouldn't want to like be tied to an IDE just 'cause the AI I use is there. Anyways, then Claude Code had come out, um, which was a CLI tool, and it's basically what Sidekick is based off of, and I love Claude code. I'm not, I'm not bashing them at all. I think it's amazingly done. My issue with Claude code [00:44:00] though is one, it's closed source and two, I can't decide which model I want to use. So I'm forced to use, uh, anthropics models, so like Claude Sonnet and all those tools. And sometimes different models do different things. Better code versus creativity versus like review, whatever. It depends on what I'm using it for, but their service also goes down. So like if, um. If I have server timeouts and I'm trying to vibe code, or I'm trying to use it to like help me figure out a bug or, or read through the code base, and all of a sudden it stops working, like now I'm screwed, right? I wanna be able to quickly switch to a different model. So you can think of Sidekick as an open source cloud code that'll use any model. It'll use anthropic and it'll act exactly like cloud code using the same model they use. Or you could use open AI like new 4.1 or oh three, or you could use Google's Gemini 2.5 flash or whatever, which is actually insanely good at development. And the power there is is like as soon as a new model comes out, like they just dropped, what was it? And open [00:45:00] AI is 4.1 last week. Yeah, just like instantly I was able to put it in Sidekick and boom, it, it worked, you know, um, even before OpenAI released their AK developer, which is similar to Sidekick, but again, it only uses their models. So anyway, that's what Sidekick is. Elysse: And this was a PET project that got a little outta control, right. Gavin: Yeah, I like, I was building it locally because I do better learning stuff when I build a tool and I actually started working on that after I had used cloud code and I was like, oh, this is amazing. I had tried some other ones before, like um, ER and stuff and I didn't really like the workflow, fell in love with cloud code, but that happened. I was like, shit. Claude Code is down right now and I'm like, I'm trying to get this work done. And I had this moment where I was like, well, why don't I just like, why can't I use any model I want? And I was like, how hard would it be for me to make a CLI tool? And I learned like the Python tooling for CLI frameworks and stuff that I haven't really played with before. It's using like Rich and Prompt Toolkit and Python, which are [00:46:00] amazing libraries I've been around forever. And then like integrated that with like the new tooling that's come out. So like, you know, the age agentic models and that sort of stuff. Shawn: If you scroll down, you can see the little demo video Gavin uploaded. Oh, go. Yeah. Amazing. Gavin: Yeah, I just tell it to make a flappy bird clone. Uh, so cool. And then it runs through it, and then I open it up and, and like it worked for this, like one shot, you know, it's not like a perfect game, but, um, it worked like in the browser, so. Elysse: I love the purple that you chose. Gavin: Yeah, Elysse: it works so perfectly. Gavin: I wanted it to be a little more vibey. I actually found cla coat a little boring too, and I'm, I'm trying to do a little more to it to make it a little more interesting to use. Um, but yeah, you can see it like, yeah, Elysse: I love that. Gavin: First try. Pretty cool. Shawn: And we have, um, how many stars do we have on GitHub now? Gavin: Like, uh, over a hundred, which isn't crazy, but Yeah. Shawn: Yeah. I mean, it's like people are using, we just watched it a few days ago. It's amazing. Yep. Gavin: Yeah, we've had some like, pull requests, 10 forks already. Wow. People are like, I'm making my own. Well, usually when you fork, you're [00:47:00] making a poll request. But yeah, they can also make their own. Shawn: Oh, I Gavin: see. Okay. Yeah. But our whole move here is to make like a fully open source one. Some others have come out as well, but they're like, you have to sign up for their service or you have to go through their API, even if it is free. And I was like, nah, I don't wanna be locked in. Like this is gonna be like an honest to goodness like old school. This is open source. As open source gets like, we're not locking into anything. Take the code and fucking run off with it if you want. Elysse: Um, this was like, this is probably why we skipped podcasts for a while as you were deep in, uh, ai. K. For clients and for Sidekick. Gavin: Yeah. I was between this and some other stuff, so I was, I was definitely deep in it. We were trying to get this launched, Elysse: like emerged one day. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: We were like, are you okay? Gavin: It was actually a lot harder than I thought it was gonna be. Like when you first start it, you're like, okay, it's kind of working and then there's all these weird little edge case of models and LMS and switching them and all of them work subtly different and trying to handle that in one generic tool. It was surprisingly difficult. Elysse: Does your brain feel [00:48:00] different after doing all this? Gavin: Yes. Yeah. I definitely feel like I have a much deeper understanding of how the limitations of these tools, they're all very good, but they all have, yeah. It's, it almost, you know, when you watch a magician Yeah. And you're like, this is amazing, this like, this guy can do anything. He makes people disappear and cards come out of his sleeves and his, it's nuts. And then you watch like a YouTube video of like how it's actually done and all the magic's gone. You're like, oh, it's gone. He's just like, he just has these tricks and that's it. Okay, so the magic's gone. That's sort of what happens. Yeah. Yeah. For me, the magic has gone a bit. I'm like, LLMs are actually really fucking stupid half the time. Elysse: Oh, interesting. Yeah. But by 2027, they will own all of our bio weapons. Gavin: Oh, definitely. Yeah. I mean, then we're screwed then. It's not ma then it's actual magic. Elysse: Um, I think we lost Shawn a little while ago. I can hear him tippy tapping on his keyboard. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. As soon as he has that glazed look in his eye and he is not looking directly at the screen, that's the telltale. Shawn: I was actually trying to add you to the, uh, hello. At input logic.ca email address. Oh, thank you. And like, that's just [00:49:00] become so painful with Google's admin. I, I don't wanna complain too much about Google admin, but it sucks. Gavin: I wanna complain about Google for a sec. They released, uh, a new, it's related to Sidekick. I'm using something called pedantic, which is an open source AI library. It's amazing. And Google released theirs called a DK, I think it's called. So it's like Agent Development Kit is what it stands for. Mm-hmm. And everybody's all excited about this and I'm like, but Google's documentation and history for like maintaining these tools is just a nightmare. I'm like, I am not going anywhere near that. All of their stuff, even Firebase has been around for, how long would you say, Sean? Like 10 years or something? Yeah. It's gotta be getting up there and it is still a piece of shit to try to implement too. I'm like, how have you guys not figured out how to make this better documented? Like Google is just professionals at making apps on the Plus that are possible to use Shawn: apps. API is pretty easy to work with. No, no. Gavin: Maybe for login, anything beyond that. That's about it. Elysse: Did you guys look at [00:50:00] this? I shared it a few weeks ago. Gavin: Control ai.com. I don't know what this is. Yeah, I don't know. Um, Elysse: it's like to keep humanity in control, so they're basically like, I think this is more or less a website for all the dors to be like, watch out, it's gonna get bad. Gavin: This is actually just a list for the AI to note which ones to feed the anthrax to first. I don't know why Shawn: I am not even remotely worried about AI to try, like I just, the, it's like, what am I trying to, what's a good analogy? Elysse: Like this is such a big sentence, Gavin: these Shawn: companies, Elysse: catastrophic Gavin: consequences. Did you, Shawn: did you hear, um, Sam Altman talking about how. People saying, please and thank you to chat, GPT is costing millions of dollars in extra processing power. Yeah. It's like we, we, um, anthropomorphize these things. Yeah. Like make them [00:51:00] human-like in our minds. Yeah. So then we say please and thank you to them. But it's like my vacuum cleaner. Like, I don't have to say please and thank you to my vacuum cleaner and there's no danger. My vacuum cleaner is gonna go robe and like suck on my face in the night. You know, like yet. Elysse: You do have a Roomba at the office. Shawn: That's true. Um, and it gets Elysse: stuck a lot, so it's probably furious. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. It's pissed. It's pretty dumb. The Roomba. Yeah. Poor guy. Um, Roombas and jam spaces do not mix. Like there's so many cables for that poor guy to navigate over. Um, anyway, so, I don't know. I just, the AI worries don't concern me. Like I, I look at them as like if there's problems. It, it's bugs in the software. You know, like, we gotta fix the bug. I don't see it as like, there's no intention. Right. Elysse: Didn't he also recently say that he, they were gonna make, uh, like open I is gonna make a social platform? I ha I don't know a lot about that. I just heard that they were going to do something with social. Gavin: Oh, I don't know. I could see that. I mean, they have millions and [00:52:00] millions of users using this thing every day. Why wouldn't they? Hmm. Elysse: I'm gonna look it up. Yeah, Gavin: I think like there's some crazy stat too on how many people use chat GPT just for search now. Yeah. Like they'll able the search feature, so it's like typing into Google, but you're letting it go, do the research and come back to you. It's, it's a wild statistic that I'm sure Google is freaking out about. Yeah. Yeah. Oh Shawn: yeah. OpenAI is eating Google's lunch right now. Um, I like that there's no advertising per se on open AI yet. Mm-hmm. I really worry they're gonna be like. Ooh, we should have ads and then just like ruin that aspect of it. Gavin: I wonder how quickly someone would replace that though. You know what I mean? Like, because they have no moat there. I mean, I can, I can use, I can use Sidekick to make a web search for me and do the same damn thing with no ads. Yeah, yeah. Like I can replicate what they're doing perfectly. Shawn: Yeah. I mean, except you're gonna use their model under the hood and pay for it, so whatever. Gavin: Well, but I don't have to, I could use O [00:53:00] Lama Shawn: locally. Yeah. Yeah. The same thing. That's true. In which case I have full control. Um, oh yeah, Elysse: same please. And thank you. Shawn: Now Google has started to roll out, um, AI search results, and they're pretty good. If you just random, I gonna sit at the Google search now at the top kind. It gives me a summary. Summary. I, it responds with AI and often that's exactly what I'm looking for. Mm-hmm. Um. So, Gavin: yeah, that's true. I've noticed that too. Um, anytime I've like, tried to do something that I didn't find Shachi P was particularly good at. Which is rare. Shawn: Sorry, I just saw these pictures. Is this all European legislators talking about this, this stuff? Like, are these the same people that brought us GDPR and cookie banners? Oh, I'm worried about ai. They want to write more legislation. Elysse: He's the House of Lords, so I think Yes. In the House of Lords. Shawn: Yeah. So that's British, I believe. Come on. Yeah. That's a place. Elysse: So yeah, British public wants stricter rules than its government does. Yeah. I think this is, yeah, European. European for sure. Shawn: [00:54:00] Well, um, yeah, no, no. Like no shade to the European Union, but like, can we just have the internet back without cookie banners, please? Elysse: Magic. Oh, they're like linking to. Smart articles. Interesting. Anyways, it's articles. You wanna read it? Smart. Smart articles. Smart articles. So Cornell and I go, that's below my IQ for Oh yeah. My, I need to summarize that. Yeah. Shawn: There. Elysse: That's it. That's all we got. Shawn: Yeah. All right. That was great. Um, that was Gavin: fun. Shawn: Thanks. Chat, GPT. Elysse: See you guys next week. Gavin: Wait, we can't do any AI next week. Remember? Okay, so we're not doing any That's perfect. Next week Shawn: is like a no AI talk. Yeah. Okay. Gavin: Yeah. Okay. Well, and no AI links. Everything's gotta be like, this is like honest to goodness, like homegrown tech. You're not allowed to have an ai. Okay. Anything associated, this is what Europe wants. Oh, thiss gonna be great. This is, Elysse: we have to do it for Europe. Gavin: Yeah. We're doing it for the lords of their [00:55:00] house or whatever the fuck that place was. I think that's called church. Isn't that, that just Shawn: Parliament, British Parliament. Elysse: Lords? No, Shawn: I don't know. I dunno. The House of Lords, I don't dunno either. God, it's for the House of Lords. Looks like such an idiot. The House of Elysse: Lords Yeah. Shawn: American right now. So do we. Elysse: Uh, okay. Next week? No, AI Uh, we're doing it for Europe and that's it. Gavin: Okay. Okay. House of Lords, this one's for you. Elysse: House of Lords. That's a good, bad name. Someone put it in Gavin: that. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Elysse: Okay. Bye Bye. Gavin: Bye.