February 11, 2025
In this episode, we discuss old internet memes and videos (do you remember ol greg), and we explores a variety of new gadgets and tools, including the Glowmad (spoiler, we bought three). We also chat recent tech tools like n8n.io for automation, which replaced Elysse this week, Tray.ai for code assistance, the Caddy server for SSL setup, and Equals.com for connected spreadsheets. Finally, we discuss no code tools (again) and practical experiences in building websites with Framer. We also review stylish eyewear by GogginsGoggles, and curated adventure trips by Land of Ride.
Gavin: [00:00:00] Loud and clear. 1, 2, 3. Check, mic. Elysse: I didn't realize that When you touch this mic it mutes. Gavin: Oh, you got your new microphone? Yay. New microphone. Yeah. Yay. Oh, yours is fancy because it's got like a little, it's white. It's, it's Shawn: got a glowy light. Yeah. Is it yours? Elysse: Aren't both of yours the same color? Shawn: We have the same model, but it's like the next model. Mine just has dots. Ah, yours is clearly newer. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Yeah. It has like Elise, and when I touch it, it goes red. Gavin: Oh, mine will do that too. It just doesn't have the fancy light bar. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Elysse: Yeah, the light bar goes red, and it like, it like twinkles. Sounds really good. Sounds Shawn: better than the last one. Elysse: Yeah, the old mic was not great. I had to make like, very, uh, intentional audio updates to just my audio. Gavin: We need to give it a new name. Old mic won't work, so this is Greg. Okay, sure. Mic, microphone. Why does Elysse: all my stuff have to have names? Gavin: Oh, uh, mine will be Greg. He's old. Old Greg. [00:01:00] Old Greg. You're doing a good job, Greg. Were you guys on the internet when Old Elysse: Greg was a thing? Shawn: I don't even know what that is. Gavin: I don't get that reference. I mean, I guarantee I was on the internet. I feel like I was on the internet before it was a thing. Elysse: He was like a, like a, I'm going to pull it up. Old Greg. Shawn: Old Greg. Is this our first link? Old Greg. No, I Gavin: don't think so. Do you, a total segue, do you remember that little squirrel guy that would like, there was cartoons of that and he would like blend stuff or something like that? It was like this weird ass cartoon early on the internet, like super dark. And he would like, do you guys remember that? I got to see if I can find it from next to the, oh, yeah, we're just talking about old internet. Okay. This is. Elysse: Oh, go ahead Sean. No, no, you go. Shawn: Oh, I was just gonna say the funniest thing used to be like getting together with your friends and all standing around a CRT monitor Yeah, clicking on YouTube videos until you're so far down like a weird YouTube rabbit hole. Yeah Anyway, just looking okay Gavin: You Shawn: guys remember this guy? No, I don't remember him at Gavin: all. [00:02:00] I've never seen this guy in my life. Wow. This is like fuckin side internet type shit that Elyse is into. Elysse: People will remember this. I know that there are listeners out there who will remember old Greg. Gavin: If you're listening and you legitimately remember old Greg, you better message Elyse because, uh, Just comment. Elysse: Comment, I remember. Shawn: I kind of wish I did. I had never encountered that. Elysse: Sorry. Sorry, Ned, sorry. Shawn: Um, hey, our first link is our own website. Elysse: Well, I was going to ask, before you dive into links, um, do we want to talk about anything? Any updates? Any fun stuff? Shawn: Uh, it's Friday. It's Friday. We never pod on Friday. I feel like I got Friday podcast energy. Is it Elysse: good? Hopefully good. I think we got to bring the energy because Gavin isn't. Gavin: My whole family's sick, so I feel like I'm fighting something or I haven't been sleeping. I've been working too much. So Gavin's Shawn: desk is next to mine, [00:03:00] too. I'm like, you just told me like your family has the plague and here you are in the office. I'm like, we Gavin: shared a cookie this morning, too. Shawn: I'm freaking out a little bit. Elysse: Cute! That's sweet. It's very sweet. Gavin: More like an old married couple. Elysse: Yeah. Uh, didn't it already go through your house, Sean? Didn't you guys already have this? Shawn: Yeah, last week or the week before, yeah, we had the plague. So maybe I gave it to you, Gavin. Elysse: Yeah, maybe. Shawn: But every time we talk about Gavin feeling unwell, I start to get a little dizzy. Yeah, yeah, you're just like, it's that placebo. Elysse: You guys have that relationship where it's like what twins have? Totally. Where, like, one twin's arm gets cut off, the other's like, oh my god, my arm. Shawn: Yeah escalated quickly Elysse: The only thing that is new sorry Sean is the snow we didn't have snow last week You guys are like snowed in in Nanaimo, aren't you? Shawn: Mm hmm. I don't want to talk about snow anymore I've been shoveling for days literally days and like I know first world problems. My [00:04:00] my driveway is you know I don't even want to say, it's very long and I've shoveled it in my hand multiple times this week and, uh, yeah, that's the blessing of it. My, all my neighbors have snow blowers and one guy has an excavator, so like Why don't you Elysse: get a bucket for the Sprinter? They've got to have those. Shawn: That'd be kind of fun. You know, honestly, my Tiguan does better in the snow than the Sprinter. The Sprinter's rear wheel drive and it's not all wheel drive. Um, whereas my Tiguan is just a tiny little SUV with all wheel drive and like bomb winter tires on it. The thing is a monster. I can, I love driving it in the snow. It's so fun. Wait, don't you have a, don't you have a ride on Lawnmower? You should hook up to that thing. Yeah, I thought about putting Blade on it, but I went and talked to John Deere. And um, I don't know if he was just trying to sell me a new Oh, yeah, John. Yeah, my bro. Yeah. Anyway, um, Mr. Deere. He, uh, he was trying to sell me a new tractor, I think, because he was like, no, no, you, you don't want [00:05:00] to put a blade on this thing. You'll burn out the transmission. Um, he's like, this is the 100 series. You at least need the 200 series to put a blade attachment on it. And real men Gavin: take the 500 series. Yeah, Shawn: I know. I was, I'm at the tractor place and literally he's like, this model is so small that Home Depot sells it. We don't even sell this model. Oh, wow. Oof. Ouch. I know. Elysse: Did you kind of consider getting a new one though? Shawn: I did. The problem with moving the country is like, you know, when you're in the city and you look over and like, you know, neighbors got a new car, you know, like, uh, you're trying to keep up with the Joneses a little bit. It's not like you're looking over and your neighbor has a fucking backhoe, you know? Like, oh, I've never needed a backhoe before, but like, boy, I could dig a hole with that, you know? Gavin: Um, total, total, like, segue, but it actually relates to backhoe. Um, Jess and, uh, the girls and I were all talking around the dinner table that one night, and we have these, like, this card game that we play that you draw a card, and it's like a subject of, [00:06:00] you know, something to discuss while we're eating. That's nice. And one of them was, it was, they're really fun, it's great. But the one that we drew a couple days ago, was what would be the perfect day to you? Uh, as far as like, I think the context was like something fun or, or whatever, right? And one, the ideas were all great, but one that I actually realized for myself would be being able to, um, do anything that is like a professional. Career without restriction. Like I could just go to like a construction site and like jump in, like the backhoe or the digger, like move some dirt around, like go drive a crane and like lift shit up and move it around and stuff. I was like, that'd be so fun. Elysse: I have a thing to say, I have a thing to say. There's a place in Vegas where you can go do this, where you can just go and like get into like a dump truck or like a backhoe and like fuck shit up. And I do not understand it. I don't understand it. Shawn: What? That sounds so fun. Elysse: I have to understand if this is like a, a male thing. I'm, I don't want to like be sexist. Gavin: Hey, that's profiling, man. Elysse: But I have like, I have no [00:07:00] other female friends who are like, I would like to go in a backhoe, a backhoe, a backhoe, a backhoe, and spin it around in circles for no reason. You don't have Shawn: an urge to dig a hole with a big excavator? Wouldn't that be so fun? Never Elysse: in my life. Shawn: So we have a, we have a friend who builds houses and every now and again, he has to like, Rent an excavator and knock a house down and he's like guys Next time I knock a house down, you guys got to come and drive the excavator. I was like, Elysse: that's so funny. That sounds sick. Shawn: What a Elysse: liability. Shawn: Yeah, maybe we should, we might have to edit that part out. Is that illegal? I don't think so. It sounds so fun. It could be illegal. We didn't say his name. Elysse: I'm sure it would be a liability for the best for his business or the business. If you like. Injured yourself Gavin: totally if he drag your body out of it and lives here, which he told us it's a different place. Anyways Elysse: Let's click some links [00:08:00] What is that? I know it's on Sean's computer I see you look in the corner of your computer when it happens. Oh, I get to mute my Shawn: notifications. Thank you guys. I've never done this before. Um, Elysse: and the only reason I am saying that is because I was just on a call with Sean and I watched him black out a couple times. Just like, go somewhere else for a few minutes. Gavin: Yeah, that's, that's been like my 20 years with working with Sean. It was like, I'll be talking. He's like, uh huh. Elysse: And then I go, can you say that again? Gavin: And he'll be like, what? Nevermind. Elysse: Um, okay. You want to start with this link? Gavin: Yes. What is this link? Elise? Elysse: Is this the link we're going to start with? Gavin: Let's do it. Elysse: Okay. Um, our first link is our internet plumber. co website. It's up. We did it. Gavin: We did it. Elysse: It's brand Gavin: new. Elysse: I guess we like soft launched it yesterday. Shawn: I mean, like, I didn't tell anyone, but I put [00:09:00] this thing live, like, two weeks ago. It was so broken. And, uh, that's just how I do it. Um, and, uh, anyway, so for the last couple of weeks, I've been pushing changes. And then, uh, just yesterday or the day before, I felt like, you know what? We could show some people. So nice. Yeah, there's still a few issues and, um, uh, shout out to, I hate doing team shout outs when we launch a project. Cause it's like everybody touches the project at some point. You Gavin: feel bad you missed somebody. I know. Shawn: I, and it's always Nelson. Uh, I don't know if he's going to watch this pod, but it's always, I'll be like, I shout everybody out and then like, Oh, and Nelson too. You know why? Okay. Cause Nelson on our team, Nelson is a UX designer, but he's also a front end developer. He's also an interface designer. He's also just a nice dude, you know? And um, so while everyone else occupies like a specific role in the chain, you know, um, Nelson kind of does a little bit of everything. So I can't like stop at a phase and be like, Oh yeah, that was [00:10:00] Nelson. Except unless maybe UX. But anyway, so this project started with Nelson and Lula, I believe. Um, designers, UX and UI respectively. And then it jumped into front end development, which started with Nelson again. Elysse: And Shawn: then Corey jumped in. And then Corey got so far. And then, um, they handed it off to me because they had to both jump on client work. And, um, so I get to poke at the internal stuff. And then Gavin jumped in. to do, uh, all the AI automation stuff, um, as part of our sidekick AI. Are we announcing that on the pod right now? Anyways, this is our next product. Um, it is automation framework. I mean, it's fine, Gavin: but you know, we can, we can talk about it. Elysse: Okay. Yeah, this is it. And it looks great. Um, I guess like major shout out to everybody who. Had, you know, [00:11:00] there are fingers in the soup. What's the saying? Fingers in the I don't like that saying. Yeah, but it looks great. It's up. Go check it out. Poke at it. If you find anything fun. You win a prize? I don't know. We'll send you I just had an Shawn: idea for the shop section. I was gonna say, the shop section doesn't work right now. I mean you can go ahead and look at all the stuff. This is all our like Gavin: Yeah. Shawn: Input swag. Years of swag. We need better photos and we're using Swell, the headless e commerce product for this. Um, but I haven't hooked up the checkout yet, so you can't actually checkout. Um, but anyway, it just occurred to me that we should sell the items we buy on the podcast as well. You know what I mean? Elysse: Oh, yeah. I don't even know if we're allowed. Shawn: Like, can we sell teenage engineering shit on our, on our shop? Like a Elysse: resale? Gavin: Yeah, yeah. Be like, uh, lightly used and reviewed. [00:12:00] That's a great question, Shawn: but what if we Gavin: want Shawn: to keep the stuff we buy? No, no, I meant like be a reseller or a wholesaler for these companies, you know, like that kid's toothbrush, you know Maybe people could go buy that off. Just be like, hey, we just bought this go buy it off the shop section on our website Anyway, this is a totally different call than I mean Elysse: This is this is getting into like influencer territory hopefully one day we have enough followers and people like us enough where we'll have a Referral link for those toothbrushes. That would be the that would be the sweet thing, right? Shawn: Yeah, okay. Let's click some more likes people are not here to Listen to us product manager. Okay, so website Elysse: go check it out And if you do want to sign up for our newsletter, um, you can sign up on the website internet plumber. co And you can watch all of our episodes um on the website too and All of our links that we've posted from what the last year all of our newsletters a Shawn: little bit Elysse: Yeah, you're in a bit are all [00:13:00] there. So, um, yeah, we share cool links. Um, and if any of them have ever been useful to you, there will be more that are useful to you that you should go check out. So check it out. Gavin: Check it, Elysse: check it out. All right. Our first actual link, uh, actually let's not start with this one. Let's start with chill beams. Okay. Chill beams. com. Uh, chill beams is a company specializing in innovative, stylish lighting solutions, uh, designed for various settings. Shawn: Is this not a link from last week? Nope. Gavin: Nope. Shawn: This is this Gavin: week. No, that was that, uh, stupid standup one that didn't have the oak version in their store. Elysse: Yeah. Oh. Wait. Is this? I feel like we Shawn: talked about this. No, I feel like we talked about this. No, no, no. This is this week. This is this week. Okay. This is this week. Elysse: Um, okay. So, uh, yeah. Designed for various settings, including homes, cafes, outdoor environments. So the product line features an item called the Glomad Light, which is a lightweight, water resistant light, and it offers up to 50 hours of battery life.[00:14:00] Also includes a magnetic mount. And a One Breath Inflation for ease of use. So let's go find it. One Breath Shawn: Inflation. Oh, that's neat. Um, I think this thing is dope. It's really cool. It's, uh, he's got it strapped to his hiking backpack. I like to go on the occasional overnight hike. And, um, yeah, really neat. It's like, I think we should buy this. It's like an inflatable LED light. Do you want to Elysse: get Gavin: it? Buy two, get one free. We all get one. Yes. Oh. Dope. Do it. Oh Elysse: yeah. Let's all get one. Gavin: Hell yeah. I like how compact it is. And actually like when we're camping or running around or like down at the beach after hours and stuff like this legitimately seems like super handy. Shawn: Yeah. Magnetic. I like Gavin: that it's magnetic. Like man, actually I'm really into this. Shawn: Um, my only qualm is that the light looks like a cool light. I don't know if there's a setting, yeah, that one looks warm, so that's interesting. Why does Elysse: it have to be like super [00:15:00] shirtless in this, like, what's the point, you know? Gavin: Is he actually shirtless? Elysse: A hundred percent. Oh yeah, he excels, Gavin: Elise. Look at that dude. Yeah, that guy's wearing gloves, I'm offended. Elysse: Yeah, um, this would be fun for the summit. Shawn: Oh yeah, a bunch of, a bunch of inflatable lights. Elysse: And it's solar? Shawn: Oh, there's a solar panel on it. It's gotta be. Well, there's a charge port here. Chillbeam. com. Alright, let's move on. I feel like, uh, there's a lot of shopping. Standby for us Gavin: to wave around our Chillbeams next podcast. Elysse: Have you guys, uh, did you buy it? One of you has to buy it. Gavin: Well, I don't have my, anything on me. It's my phone. I feel naked. Shawn: You don't have your credit card number memorized? Hell no. That would be dangerous. Elysse: I have mine. And your guys's credit card. You have my credit card! Shawn: Well, why are you Click some buttons and buy those things. That's why Elysse: you guys got me my own, is because I use it so much [00:16:00] that I had to memorize it. Shawn: Okay, what are the GogginsGoggles. com? Um, I will tell you. Elysse: Just one second. I wrote all I'm a little bit more prepared today. Okay, GogginsGoggles. Uh, so is the official website for the Walton Goggles Goggles, oh my god, Walton Goggins Goggle Glasses, an eyewear line created by Walton Goggins. These goggle glasses are designed to combine the stability of goggles with the style of sunglasses featuring modular 10 in 1 customization system that includes adjustable straps, foam inserts, and interchangeable arms. There's no way I Shawn: would be caught dead wearing these unless I was actually on the ski hill. I Elysse: don't think they're for skiing. I think they're also for, like, underwater. Like, I think they're for snorkeling and stuff. What? So, I think they're goggles. Like, underwater goggles. Swimming goggles? Shawn: I should wear these to my triathlon. Gavin: Oh, that's a good idea. Elysse: Okay. Yeah, I remember them having some It says Shawn: sunglasses. They're [00:17:00] sunglasses. Stylish sunglasses. Elysse: I remember them having something to do with Shawn: I love that they understand their target demographic, like the model on the landing page. He's an old guy. Like, this is Walton Elysse: Goggins. This is the guy. Shawn: Oh, this is the guy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He's at least my age. He's probably older. Yeah. This is him. Okay. Okay. There we go. Elysse: Yeah. He's Shawn: an actor. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: Oh, I have no idea who this guy is. Oh, sorry. Sorry, Walt. Elysse: Maybe they're not for underwater, but I thought that they were Shawn: look at that You can swap the band out for the part that goes over your ear. Elysse: I love them. I love them Shawn: All right, Elysse: and the names are great. Mama's skillet. Lemoncello. Just blue. Shawn: Those are cool. Yeah Let Elysse: Tortuga Shawn: let her to go Okay, could we do like a team activity next summer summit and like input branded Goggins got? Goggles, [00:18:00] I know Are they smart at least? I'd rather get the, the, the Ray Bans that have a connector on them. Elysse: I don't think so. Shawn: Interesting. Elysse: Yeah. Cool. I like them. I want them. Oh no, this is my credit card. Gavin: Oh no. Quick buy now, Elise. Elysse: Oh, I don't like how it does that. That bothers me. Gavin: I'm okay with it. Elysse: Alright, next link. Next link is Gavin: landofride. com. Elysse: Uh, Land of Ride. Uh, Land of Ride is a platform that curates and offers unique adventure trips for enthusiasts of surfing, skiing, snowboarding, and motorbiking. Their mission is to provide unforgettable journeys where individuals can practice their favorite sports and connect with like minded people. Each trip is designed to cater a different skill set and interest, ensuring participants have a memorable experience. Gavin: So it's like a touring company that specializes in like bespoke, like [00:19:00] Wheel related adventures. Elysse: I think so. We shared this mostly for design stuff Very fun. Very beautiful. This one's a Sahara escape in Morocco. Looks like a motorcycling trip Shawn: I love how each card has its own little video its own. Oh, yeah font You know, I don't know if those are taken from the the video covers or what but like it's cool Yeah, I like that design. Gavin: I like that in Georgia When you mouse over it like each block it, uh, the video plays. That's super engaging. I dig that. Elysse: Yeah super cool, very expensive starting from 3, 000 euro starting from 000 euro. That's pricey Winter edition, Shawn: but is that like a getaway? That's not that pricey if you think about it if it's like a whole vacation Elysse: I just don't know what so let's look at this one, Alaska. This is going to Denali be pretty [00:20:00] cool Like, does it Shawn: include, um, food and accommodation at backcountry camp, I guess? Elysse: May 2nd to 8th, that's not a lot of days. So food accommodation, which is backcountry camping. Itinerary, your gear, you would have to bring your own, I think. Shawn: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, recommend. Okay. Okay, I mean, it's pretty pricey. Like, you can, you can do that. But essentially free if you can get up there. Elysse: Yeah, like imagine us paying 3, 400 euro, which is what, 4, 000 to camp in some tents in the middle of nowhere. We could do that ourselves here and not pay 4, 000. If I'm going to Poland, I would pay 3, 000. Anyways, cool stuff. Shawn: Super cool. These are neat. These are neat experiences. Elysse: Yeah. Very cool. Shawn: Though the one benefit is if like, if you have some disposable income and very little time. And want to get away, like, this is [00:21:00] basically a vacation in a box. You don't have to think about it. You can go do like a cool vacation. Elysse: The 12th to the 18th and you're spending 3000 Euro. That's like a lot of money. Yeah. Shawn: But I mean, it includes food and accommodation and an activity. That you don't have to Gavin: plan. Yeah. I mean, there's value in that if you're a busy person. Shawn: It's interesting hearing our perspectives on this. Cause Elise, like, you have historically done vacations like this. I maybe do one overnight hike a year, um, and, like, have not done this type of vacation before. So, I Elysse: mean, for context, when we went overseas last year, we went for two weeks, and for two people, we probably spent under, like, six grand. Gavin: Oh, wow. Elysse: So, that's, like, some context. I think that the thing with this That might be enticing for people and I, I might fall into this category now because [00:22:00] I'm looking to travel later this year, but, um, I need it like fully taken care of for me because reasons. Um, but I think that's the allure here is that everything is taken care of. You don't have to worry about like transportation. You don't have to think. You just show up and someone does everything for you. And there's a market for that. People want that. Oh, but what's not included? So flights. Oh, lunch and dinner is not included. Your gear is not included. So, I don't know. I don't think I would do this. It seems pretty expensive, but it's cool. Shawn: Yeah, and this website is rad. LandOfRide. com. Super cool. Super Elysse: rad. Yeah, very cool. Okay, next link. Gavin, this might be all you. Gavin: Oh, yeah. NAN. Um, it's like, I've been big into like this AI and automation stuff lately. And that's sort of like the segue into what we've nicknamed Sidekick, which is like our internal automation tool I've been noodling with. Um, But NNN is like if you've used stuff like Zapier or if this then that essentially you can like [00:23:00] connect things like Slack and Google Sheets and say like, you know when a new Entry ends up in Google Sheets like post that slack message in slack and firing off an email and you know, whatever you can Set up all these automation So I've been using it and lately as a learning tool and inspiration for some of our own internal stuff But it's actually super powerful like the some of the stuff that they have I like that It's open source so you can run it On your own server, if you want, they also have an 8n cloud, which is really reasonably priced and pretty powerful. I just like the idea of being able to run my own scripts in addition to an 8n. So that's why I'm doing it locally. Still super cool. Yeah. Elysse: Cool. Gavin: I do like the site too. The interface is, is nice. Like the actual, um, product interface, not just the site is really well done. A lot of the other ones I've tried, like, uh, windmill and, uh, node red. are like, you can tell they're designed by programmers, no [00:24:00] offense to those development teams, like it works and they're great products, but like they're not pretty. Elysse: Um, that's n8n. io for listeners to go check out and that link will also be in the description. Hey, didn't we do a design sprint for something very similar? Wasn't Tandem like this? Shawn: I was telling Gavin about this Tandem. io, I think. Elysse: And, um, Shawn: yeah, it's like a way to mash up multiple APIs using the open API spec. Um, and, um, yeah, I do think like something like a tandem integration to end A to N or Gavin's sidekick tool would be like insane. Um, yeah. So, yeah, a lot of, a lot of stuff happening in this, like AI meets no code there's, um, If you know what tools to use to accomplish certain little automation tasks, and then you can [00:25:00] somehow get them to an interface, like, I think we're, we're like months away from, um, vibe coding yourself, like a pretty enterprise grade integration with a dashboard. Um, Gavin: The thing I find with these, though, is like, it's a bit of a trap, because it's like, oh, no code, like anybody can do it. And I, we're obviously well versed in this world. But even setting up a complex workflow, like, you know, a basic workflow, sure, most people could get in there and do it. But if you have, like, a multi step flow and you gotta pass, like, JSON around, you might not know what that is. You need to flatten an array or extract, like, you know, a date time stamp and stuff. Like, all of a sudden, you're in the weeds, you know? And when I was making simple automations for our Slack channel to collect, like, our links and format them and stuff, like, I had to go down some rabbit holes, you know what I mean? I don't think, like, the average person would be able to figure that out. A dev, sure. But I, I think we're still a ways off of like no code being like this thing where anybody like a mom and pop could sit down and be like, oh, I'm going to do this thing that's [00:26:00] like quite complex for my business. You know, the simple use case is sure, like the Zapier's, but we're still a ways off of like it replacing. Like someone actually trained in the industry. Elysse: This was the first time that I've experienced AI replacing me in some capacity. Like I know that for devs, it's been kind of a thing for you guys for a while, but when like it, it just happened all so fast and then you guys named it after me. And then I was like, Oh my God. Gavin: Yeah, that was me just messing around. But the context there for everybody is like we collect like for this podcast, we collect links shared in our Slack channels. We give them like a cool name and stuff and an emoji and whatnot. And I was like, Oh, wouldn't it be fun to like try to build an automation that like scrapes all our slack messages for the last week, finds the links, sends them to AI, scrapes the website, learns a bit about them and generates all this content and then like makes a newsletter. And I was like, wait, I figured it out. And that's what Elise does. I'm gonna [00:27:00] call it Elise 2. 0. Elysse: And I'm totally cool. Like that's super kosher for me for the record. Um, and it, it honestly saves a lot of time, which is great. It's like very efficient to have it, but I was also just like, Oh my God, it's happening. Gavin: What is happening? It's also not perfect. It shows the cracks in AI where it's like some stuff gets confused and whatnot. So it's like, it's not, it collects everything, gives you like the inspiration for the link titles and whatnot, but there's some formatting, like the emoji might not make sense or the wording is wrong for like the content. But I would say like. Eight times that attendance, right? Which is, I mean, that's pretty damn good. Shawn: Yeah. Gavin: It's not as Shawn: witty as at least, yeah. The copy is not gray, you know. Oh, thank Gavin: you. I could probably train Shawn: it. Elysse: Um, maybe just put all of my past texts, my, all of my stuff in there. Gavin: Yeah, actually feeding like our previous links as like a training. Yeah, I should actually do that. Elysse: Maybe let's not right away, though. Let's take a break for a little bit. [00:28:00] Let me feel relevant for a little longer. Gavin: Anyway, yeah, if you're into tech or feel like experimenting. I need this. Elysse: This is what I need. All right, next link. Equals, um, I haven't actually tried equals but equals.com. It's cool. Uh, offers a, uh, connected spreadsheet platform that integrates directly with various data sources, including Stripe, Salesforce, HubSpot, SQL databases. So you can do like live data connections. Feel familiar spreadsheet. This, I think I shared functions. No, I did, did actually no, you did, you did a long time ago, but I think I refound it. Shawn: Oh, okay. I want to try it, but I haven't tried it. I, I don't know, for some reason I like these. I have a lot of spreadsheets, and I like these tools that are like, spreadsheets plus, but I haven't found one that I love yet. Like, um, like people use Airtable, I've used, um, what's that new one I just tried? I was just, I was just searching one, I, [00:29:00] Causal, causal. app, and, um, there's a few, there's a few of these things that are like, uh, spreadsheets on steroids. Yeah. But, uh, I haven't, I haven't fallen in love yet. So, anyway, uh, maybe we'll follow up on this in a few weeks once I've actually, like, noodled with it. Elysse: The thing that's cool about this one is it allows you to perform real time, I'm reading off the thing because I have notes, but real time data analytics without needing to manually import from a CSV. So it just, like, talks to things, which I think is cool. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: If you're, like, uploading CSVs all the time, which in marketing sometimes you do, like lists and shit. If you're doing Gavin: that, call me so I can automate that shit because you're wasting your time. Elysse: He'll replace you. Gavin: Oh, I found the one I was thinking of. I actually just discovered this while I've been working on automation and I was looking for Sheet replacement stuff like Airtable and whatnot. And there's one I've never tried called Base Row. Like B A S E [00:30:00] Row. Um, and it's super cool. Um, maybe we'll put in a link for, uh, next week or something where we can discuss it. But, uh, yeah, it looks really powerful. Elysse: Can we talk about how infuriating this is and how mad Sean's gonna be when he finds out how much it is? We're never trying this. Gavin: No, we're not trying that. 39 a seat per seat. That's insane. Elysse: That's crazy. Gavin: And in contrast, in contrast, uh, Bass Row, the one I just talked about, they have a hosted version or there's an open source version you can host yourself. Elysse: So if we were just to get like 10 people on our team in that, it's 400 a month. That's probably USD pricing too. Isn't that crazy? Shawn: Is this for like Data science, like the, it's uh, oh. Essential connectors. You gotta add on $99 a month to connect postcards. Whoa. Standard connectors. You gotta add on 2 99 to get your CRM in there. This is an enterprise product. Interesting. Yeah. Gavin: There's gotta be more to this than we're seeing in initially. 'cause [00:31:00] like I don't see the value there. So there's gotta be a, there's a catch that they can charge this much. Elysse: What? So even for enterprise connectors, amplitude mix panel. That's crazy. Shawn: Um, I want to shout out my buddy Sawyer's product, him and Ravi Meta, um, gptcsv. ai. Um, it's kind of similar to this. Like gptcsv. ai, it just reminded me of this. He launched it a few months back. And they're only 34 Gavin: a month. No, I'm just joking. I have no idea how much it is. Shawn: No, I think it's cheap. I think it's cheap. Let's see pricing. Oh, it's the same. Gavin: Oh my god. Is it Shawn: actually? 39 USD per month. Okay, so like, This is the, um, going rate. Oh, they've updated the design since he launched this. Yo, Sawyer, who did your design? It's dope. Gavin: Oh, you know what it is? It's the cost of the AI. Like the amount of processing that they're doing on this. That's exactly it. That's what it is. The overhead of [00:32:00] the API calls gets expensive. Elysse: But this is 39 USD a month. Is this per seat, though, or is this just for a team? Gavin: It just says up to five projects, a thousand rows per project. Yeah, I think theirs is more general, so technically that's cheaper, I think. Elysse: Yeah, because equals is expensive because it's per seat, and then the add ons. Like, if I just want to add, like, I don't know, let's just, for As an example, we use zero, we, it's, is it just 300 extra dollars to add zero on top of this? Gavin: Or is it per month? Oh, it says month slash month. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Elysse: But if I just need zero Gavin: and none of this other bullshit. Shawn: Interesting. Yeah. Crazy. Elysse: Very interesting. Shawn: Yeah. Okay. Elysse: Well, okay. But this is Sawyer's great design. Shawn: Exactly. Yeah. It looks nice. Um, I tried it. It's neat. You like. Hook up some data, and then you can do like a pivot table, a pivot table, which is a term I only [00:33:00] recently learned, and, um, large data sets, action columns, like there's a bunch of interesting data science y things you can do with this that I haven't really discovered how to, um, get the most out of, but. Elysse: Yeah. Looks great. Sawyer, shout out to Sawyer. Looks awesome. Yeah, Shawn: nice looking sight too. Elysse: I like this like pinky to Corally gradient. I think it's pretty. Shawn: I'm a fan of gradients in general. Elysse: Yeah, it's in these days I think. Can I share a weird thing? Gavin: Yeah, I guess. Elysse: I really like how the microphone smells because it's a new Gavin: That was not expecting that I thought it was Elysse: No, I like how like cuz it's new I haven't used it right and it's like fresh out of the box and it has like a New thing smell it smells good It's probably chemicals, but it's nice. Shawn: Do you think we spritz it in factory? That's the last step give it a little spritz with some room [00:34:00] spray before throwing it in the box I don't know. That's Gavin: actually not a bad idea. Yeah. They should do that. Elysse: If they are, they're choosing the wrong smell. Oh. Like, it smells like a chemical. And you know how it's like, people are like, I like the smell of gasoline. That's essentially what I'm saying. Shawn: You know what smell I love is, um, brand new texts. Textbooks, like the paper in a textbook, you open up, stick your nose in, I love that smell. Elysse: I thought you were going to stop at text, and I was like, your texts smell. Gavin: Yours don't. Elysse: Okay, Ordinary Folks, uh, weareordinaryfolks. com. This one's interesting. This is neat, so they're designers, Shawn: sorry I totally just took over. No, Elysse: go, go, go, go. Shawn: Designers for in real life events, so like. Like branding your conference or branding your meetup or, um, that's cool. I think that's neat. Elysse: It is cool. Um, it's a beautiful website. Shawn: [00:35:00] Weareordinaryfolks. com Elysse: Yeah, super bright. Um, I think it's really cool. I like the green so much. Very neat. Oh, I like it. Shawn: Really? Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: You don't like the name? No, I don't like the green. Oh, I see. Elysse: Um, also like a very interesting, like it's kind of niche, isn't it? For like all these, uh, I don't know, influencer marketing things out there. Shawn: I've also, I've noticed that fuzzy 3d objects are in right now. Gavin: We've seen this a few times for sure. Shawn: Is that far right? Gavin: One's fuzzy. It feels Shawn: out of place. That one is not very fuzzy. Yeah. They didn't, they didn't dial up the fuzz enough on that one. Elysse: Pretty cool though. I saw somebody on Shawn: Twitter modeled a Porsche Cayenne, I think it was. And it was fuzzy. It was like, choose your, choose your paint color, and they were all fuzzy. I'm gonna do that with uh, Midjourney right now. Elysse: Have you seen the Porsche that they wrapped [00:36:00] in carpet? Shawn: No, maybe, was this real? Elysse: I thought it was real on Twitter. I remember sending it to Kristen a long time ago. Shawn: Oh, okay. No, this was like quite new. Elysse: On Twitter. I'm never gonna find it. I'm just never gonna find that. Shawn: Yeah, let's, let's click another link. Elysse: Um, the next one's Framer. Shawn: Oh. Elysse: Okay. I think this is an ad, actually. Yeah, this is an ad. Shawn: Oh, learn the Framer CMS in 26 minutes. Okay, so it's a video that maybe somebody shared? One of the teammates on learning Framer? Gavin: Yeah. I know Hank was being in Framer. Go ahead, Elise. Elysse: Sorry, um, Corey shared this. And I think because, uh, we either were talking to a client about using Framer on something. I can't remember what it was exactly, but Corey shared it because, um, because Framer. Framer's great. Um, but Hank does use it. I actually. Um, poked Hank about a few Framer questions that I had a few weeks ago. Um, and he [00:37:00] works with a lot of Framer devs, I think. Shawn: Hank isn't officially on our team. Hank White. Hank White design, uh, if you want to look him up. He's just a dope designer who is a cool guy. Sometimes we work with, yeah. Elysse: And the video goes through setting up a project, creating collections, adding and managing content, design integrations, and then just publishing. So, kind of cool. If you're looking for a quick, like, 25 minute. Run through on Framer. Gavin: Some of the stuff we've seen the team make with Framer too has been incredible, like it seems great. Yeah. Elysse: Yeah, can we pull up a website that we know is Framer? Do you guys have any that you can pull out of? What's the Gavin: most recent one, um, I think Hank actually did. Uh, he may have posted it, I might be able to find it in design while we're chatting. Shawn: If we want to shout out Bolster, um, Bolster Design. Um, I don't know what their website URL is. Elysse: I got it, got it right here. This is Framer? Shawn: Yeah, this whole site is Framer. Elysse: Cool. Hank, Shawn: Hank did it. [00:38:00] Elysse: Nice. Yeah, you can do some real sweet stuff with, uh, Framer. Shawn: Yeah, and it's nice that like it ships with a CMS in the box. So, um, designers can design, all the content is dynamic, clients can, can muck about. Hey, look, there's NanVan. That was Hank's concept for my van building company. Oh, yeah, Elysse: yeah. NanVan? Where? Did I miss it? Shawn: It's the red and green one. For the left. Elysse: Oh God, I missed it again. Um, apparently people are, well, I guess this is just my, my hot take, and it might be because I've worked in Webflow a lot, um, I think people are starting to veer more towards Framer than Webflow. At Shawn: least in our network. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's the NANVAN thing. Oh, sorry, Elysse: I missed, literally missed it again. Shawn: Oh, well. It's dead. It went into the graveyard. We ended up, um, we're collaborating with a different company called VANHUB, vanhub. ca Should we talk Elysse: about VANHUB? Let's [00:39:00] do it. Yeah, let's do it. Let's shut it up. Shawn: Yeah. We haven't put a new website on there yet, but, uh, um, yeah, you want a custom Did you share it? Oh, there it is. Van has, yeah. A supplier for the diy. Elysse: Is this the, the van? That's the van. This is the van, yeah. New one. Shawn: That's our, yeah. Yeah. I love that. Um, so this van is for sale. Actually, if you wanna buy this van. Van, if you want a van, yeah. Comment. Like this is not the van. That's, that's a different van that, yeah, just the one Gavin: on the front there. If you go to the Instagram, all those are the new van. Elysse: I'm gonna go to it. It's a beautiful van. Let's, let's find it. What are you doing over there taking screenshots? I Gavin: was trying to let Ian know we're shouting about it. I was like, was I picking my nose showing a random screenshot? Elysse: Yeah, this is a beautiful van. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Check it out. Gavin: Vanning over a bridge. How exciting. Elysse: Sweet content. Good job, Ian. That's not Shawn: [00:40:00] even the van. That was not the van. That was his brother's van. Oh my gosh. This is the van with the white pop outs. Elysse: Cool. I love these, um, rims. I think they're badass. Shawn: They're Rhino rims. You can buy them on vanhub. ca. Elysse: Okay. Shawn: They are actually pretty dope. Yeah. No, this van is sick. This is a cool van. Elysse: Yeah, it's a very cool van. This is the van. Gavin: For the people listening, uh, it's a van driving through a forest. In British Columbia. Elysse: The, like, enthusiasm is infectious, Gavin. Gavin: The leaves look wet. Elysse: You gotta go home after this. You gotta go have a nap. Oh, man. Yeah. Gavin: Oh, Shawn: wow. There's Gavin: Ian. That's Ian. Well, he looks really short because of the tall van. The van is very tall. Shawn: Yeah. Okay. So we should, we should click on something that's maybe more relevant to our audience. Does Elysse: Ian have like an orange thing? Because everything is [00:41:00] orange. Is that like the Oh, that's the van Shawn: of the brand. Okay, so it is a thing. Okay, okay, Elysse: okay. Okay. Uh, yeah, the van's for sale. Buy the Gavin: van. Shawn: caddyserver. com. Gavin: What is this? Oh, Caddy. Oh, man, it's great. Um Also open source. Yeah, when you deploy servers typically, like if you're using, if you know technical stuff like Apache or Nginx, they're great like proxy servers to like host your sites behind, but the problem nowadays is like TLS or better known as SSL. Your website certificates are kind of a pain in the ass to deal with unless you use Let's Encrypt, but it's a whole thing and it just becomes like this maintenance headache. Kadi is essentially Nginx with the auto SSL integration done. So all you do is just like put Kadi in front of your Uh, site and you're done, like it just, it just handles the SSL and it is beautiful. It's, it's great. Yeah, that's it. That's my pitch for caddy. I'm like, I'm using it full time right now in production. It's [00:42:00] badass. Sweet. If you hate dealing with SSL certificates, use caddy. Cool. Caddy server. I didn't know we were doing that. Dot com. Yeah. It's because you're not the DevOps guy. Elysse: Uh, all right. Gavin: This one will get spicy, I'm sure. Shawn: Yeah, so is this, like, cursor? tray. ai? Gavin: Yeah, it's like, um, windsurf, cursor, there's a few out now. I mean, VS Code just actually did a really big update yesterday with, um, GitHub Copilot, um, which basically replaces cursor. But tray It looks cool. I've seen it on YouTube and stuff. I haven't personally tried it. My hesitation towards it is it is created and maintained by the creators of TikTok, notorious for stealing people's information. So I am the last person in line to try this and encourage them [00:43:00] reading all of my like private source code. Interesting. Yeah. I'm not sure. I'm sure in the privacy policy they say otherwise, but I don't believe that for a second. Elysse: There's probably sneaky workarounds with that. Gavin: Yeah. So it looks cool if you have like a project that you don't care about and you want to like try it out do it Might be cool. But honestly like the new vs. Code co pilot combo is probably a safer bet. Shawn: I use cursor. I'm a huge fan And I haven't used I tried to do it natively in vs. Code a couple of weeks ago, Gavin I just found it like kludgy compared to the way cursor does it Yeah, Gavin: that's what I was saying. I think it was literally yesterday or the day before VS Code and Copilot just announced like their agentic update to VS Code. So it's basically cursor now. I haven't used it. I just watched some YouTube videos on it. Elysse: Do you think this testimonial is true? It says, never coded before, but Trey makes it super easy. Can't believe I actually made a complete game with it. Do you [00:44:00] think that that's true? Gavin: Yeah. I mean, depends on the game, right? Like a game could be tic tac toe. That's a complete game. So that's Elysse: fair. Gavin: It could be true. Elysse: Or just like a number counter. You click a button and it goes. Counts on number. Totally. Is that a game? Gavin: Reasonably, I bet you could ask Cursor to make like a Javascript version of Snake, like that old school, like, we gotta move it around and collect the food before you die. It could write that and that's a complete game, right? So yeah, for sure. I mean, that, that's legitimate. Elysse: Interesting. Um, the name reminds me of, have you guys ever, did you watch the OC? Gavin: Like Orange County Choppers? Elysse: What? You guys never watched the OC? I Gavin: started it. I think I watched episode Shawn: one. It was pretty good. With, Elysse: like, um, like Adam Brody and Misha Barton. Gavin: These are names I don't recognize. I also don't watch TV, so that's an unfair, um, comparison. I mean, this is like over 15 Elysse: years ago, TV show. [00:45:00] Shawn: Elder millennial. Yeah. Elysse: Elder millennial. We're still doing that? Gavin: I forgot. Elysse: This is what Gavin's. Unwell this week. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah, just cuz my elder millennial ness. Elysse: Well, my story doesn't matter anymore because neither of you are gonna get it. So I'm just gonna stop talking about it. Gavin: Alright, I'm really excited about your OC. Elysse: It's Gavin: a great Elysse: show. Gavin: Plotline. Elysse: It's on Crave. Go watch it. Gavin: But if you try Trey, let us know if you like it. Is that our last link? Elysse: Yeah, and I'm feeling self conscious about how enthusiastic we all were today. We went so fast. I think Gavin's melting. No, I'm good. I'm Shawn: good. I just need a bubbly or something. I'll bounce back. I could use a bubbly. Elysse: Are you gonna, like, call it after this? Gavin: I might. I have a few more things I need to finish, but, you know. Yeah, I'm going to nap this afternoon. Elysse: Your eyeballs are barely open. I Gavin: promise I'm not high. [00:46:00] Are you? It's also really bright down here. There's like snow right outside the window. It's burning my retinas. It is, it's probably just, you know, my eyes open like this. Yeah, that's much better. Elysse: That's much, much better. Shawn: I need to buy my wife a Valentine's Day gift because it's a week to Valentine's Day. What are you going to do? Elysse: What are you going to get? Shawn: Well, I can't say in case we release the podcast and she listens to it. Elysse: Does she listen to our podcast? Shawn: Probably not. Gavin: She'd get her a subscription to Trey or that, uh, spreadsheet thing. No, Elysse: get her a Get her a Land of Ride, um, vacation. Oh, jeez. Shawn: She just dropped four grand. Wow. Yeah, how about those sunglasses? The goggles? Yeah, the goggles. Do Elysse: you know what we should do for next week? We should have an aside for people who need to buy Valentine's gifts and give them a list of five. We'll keep it small, but we'll pull up maybe three to five links. Shawn: The episode won't be out by the time [00:47:00] Valentine's Day happens. Elysse: Oh, that's true. Well, you're on your own then. Yeah. All of our, all Gavin: of our 5, 100 listeners will be like, this is what you should have bought, but you fucked it up. Shawn: Um, yeah, I hadn't heard of, or I hadn't thought of seasonal content. I guess that's a thing, uh, us influencers do, right? Elysse: I don't know. I don't know if we're influencing anybody, but each other to buy more things. Shawn: Oh man, this, this wasn't meant to be a shopping. podcast. But we Elysse: will buy the lights, right? Will we? Shawn: Might as well. Elysse: Okay, maybe I'll do that after this call. I'll send it to one of your houses. Shawn: All right. Um, can I shout out our, uh, keep the internet weird water bottle? Yeah. I can't see it because of the vertical nature. Doesn't Elysse: it just say internet plumber? It doesn't say keep the internet weird. Shawn: No, it says keep the internet weird. Elysse: Oh, it [00:48:00] does? Shawn: Yeah. A Elysse: little bit more, a little more Shawn: centered. Gavin: There we go, Elysse: keep the internet weird. Um, and you can buy that on. Our website, not right now, Gavin: but later. Set a reminder. Elysse: Yeah, later. Gavin: Later. Elysse: And we don't have anybody who will ship things yet, so it will take a while, but we'll get there. We haven't automated it yet. Somebody will do Shawn: it. If an order comes in, somebody will ship it. Yeah. Probably at least. We'll Elysse: get your stuff. I don't have any of the swag here. Gavin: That's complicated. Elysse: Yeah. But give it, I have a spare room. I'll take all of it. All the swag? And then I'll be the person. Yeah. I don't mind. Okay, you want to call it? We did it. It's Friday. Gavin: We're out. Have a great weekend everyone. Happy Friday. Elysse: See you guys next week. Bye. Ciao.