Description

In this episode, Shawn gives us an IRL demo of the Auto Brush, and Gavin reviews the Meta Ray-Ban smart glasses (spoiler, they’re amazing). We chat about the Cyber Scooter, or, ahem, the Infinite Machine P1, a digital storytelling project on Chinese Canadian restaurants, a customized bike workshop from Belgium, and a health platform aiming to extend human health. We also click around a tool called Shadow Map which helps you visualize sunlight and shadows on Earth to better plan solar projects (pretty cool stuff). We intentionally veered away from our usual AI-heavy content, just since it felt pretty rinse and repeat as of late. Oh and stick around till the end and you’ll get a live demo of Shawn brushing his teeth.

Links

Transcript

Elysse: [00:00:00] Goes back, it's just taking a lot longer than I would've liked. Gavin: I know, me too. I'm still holding on. It's growing very slowly. Grief cut. That's a great baby. Is, Elysse: you should put it in the, the channel. Yeah. Yeah. Grief cut. Uh, Gavin: happy Wednesday. Elysse: Happy Wednesday. Gavin: Wow. Wow. Wow. Can we get, can I buy one of those horn buttons and I'll just play it and like a laugh track and an applaud track. I'm just gonna do it and then I'm, I'm not gonna tell you guys it, it won't get old really fast. Elysse: I thought we were gonna do that and like plug your thing in and have music. Gavin: Yeah. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I, I lent it to my buddy Sean that we play d and d with, and he was using it as like sound bites for his games. Um mm-hmm. But I wonder if he's still using it. I'll, I'll ask for it back. Yeah, we don't have, we just do that in post-production. Elysse: Well, I could, it's like so much extra work. So much Gavin: work. Yeah. And our other, my other podcast, I don't do like, I just do edits to like clean up the certain end and like our intro outro music and that's it. Otherwise we call it a radio show. [00:01:00] There's no edits. Elysse: It's exactly what I do. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: It's very low lift. Gavin: Yeah. I honestly, that's the key. Unless you have the budget or like a dedicated team. Yeah. Yeah. Unless you have like a team that's, that's their job. Um, that's how podcasts die man. People go in, they, I'll listen to new ones like especially like, 'cause we have a DD podcast. I'll listen to new ones and it's so overprocessed and over like edited and stuff. I was like, this is cool. I'll give you five to eight episodes and Sure not. Yeah. Almost always. Uh, I never hear from them again. 'cause they're just like, I spent six hours doing edits. That was really fun. Elysse: I do really like the podcasts that are like a story, so Serial as an example. Mm-hmm. Where it's a season of like a narrative and a story of something which are highly to one of those. Shawn (2): In a while. Oh, they're good. Elysse: Sorry, I totally interrupted you. No, that's fine. I have a new one you should listen to. I put it in the Music channel. I know it's not music, but I'll send it to you. It's a wild story. It's like scandal. So is this like scandalous? Gavin: Is it like an audio book and it's just one author? Is it multiple [00:02:00] people? I've never heard of this. Elysse: So the one that I'm listening to right now is called Blink, and it's about a man who survived LockedIn syndrome. Okay. Uh, which he got from like a, a toxic disease that was eating the white matter of his brain. Very fascinating. He was also like a heroin addict. It was all crazy. And like his pa his dad was a heroin. It was just crazy. The whole story is crazy. Um, yeah, I wasn't, Gavin: I wasn't a fan of heroin. Elysse: That's good. I'm just kidding. Gavin: Sorry. Go on. Go on. Elysse: Anyways, so the story is, um, like a narrator who has a very silky, buttery voice who tells the story, and then the gentleman who experienced it, his name's Jake, he's also narrating parts of it. So it's, it's, it's a real story, like a true story, but. Um, like interview based, like, I don't know, how would you describe it, Sean? Shawn (2): Yeah. I think an interview based episodic podcast story. Yeah. Okay. So it's not, it's not like a chapter of a book. No, no, no. [00:03:00] It's like it, and, and usually it's sort of like almost editorial news, like Yeah. Um, interesting. It's like, oh, there's this thing going on. The one that I listened to was the one about the small town, um, what was it called? Uh, Shawn: I don't know. There's a Shawn (2): swear in the title. Um, that's all I remember about it. Like, uh, nothing Town or something. Yeah. But it, I think it was a serial, I think it was one of the first serial ones. Ones, yeah. Serial. Yeah. And, uh, man, they just grip you like they, yeah. You're like, I don't know. You just want to hear the next episode. It's like Elysse: Netflix for your ears. It's so good. Shawn (2): Yeah. Interesting. Elysse: Yeah, 10 outta 10. Gavin: I'll have to check one out. I've always thought about doing one for like, my kids, they love these little short stories and I haven't been able to found, found too many, find too many. So I was like, oh, maybe I'll just make like a podcast. And it, all it is, is just, you know, 10, 5, 10 minute short [00:04:00] stories. But like narrated with like, that's nice. You know, a little bit of background music because often when we're like driving somewhere, they'll almost always ask to listen to like audio books or short stories. They don't listen. I mean, they listen to music, but when we're in the car they're just like, oh, it's like podcast time or story time or whatever. Cool. Yeah. So I was like, Hmm, maybe I'll do that. And then I never did. 'cause I just RI does that too. She's Shawn (2): into that. Yeah. Um, yeah, I've thought about doing that same thing because you hear these like moms who read their kids' stories and then publish it as a Spotify podcast. Yeah, yeah. And they get like, major traction. Yeah. I'm like, man, I can totally do that. Like, Elysse: have you guys seen that? Um, I think it's on whatever British BBC Oh it is B-B-C-B-B-C is the, yeah. What a PBS of British, the UK or whatever. Broadcasting Shawn (2): corporation. Yes. Elysse: BB, C. Um, they'd have a, like, kids' late night section of, I dunno, what are their channels or whatever. And Tom Hardy reads children's books and he'll [00:05:00] sit on a bench with like a dog next to him and is tattooed, like muscular, MMA body. And he just reads kids stories. 'cause he has this again, like silky beautiful soft voice and it's so wonderful. Wow. And it's, he's just like the, like he's Bain, right? From Batman. He's just like this ginormous human who is so like sweet and soft in these videos. It's so good. It's so good. Gavin: I love the contrast. That's good. Yeah. Elysse: That's wonderful. Gavin: So we have, uh, links this week that are not ai. I think I, I put the pressure on Elise and then I never contributed to it at all. That's okay. How, how did we do? Elysse: So pretty good. Some of them are still ai, like I have a couple, but I really, I'm Shawn: leaning, no, I'm just kidding. Elysse: But it is, it is more handcrafted than it has ever been. I really kind of dug around, uh, last night and this morning to see if I could find some good stuff. So there are, there are mostly non, there's like maybe one or two in one and a Shawn (2): half. Should we leave them out so that we can [00:06:00] say that this is a non-AI episode? Elysse: Sure. Shawn (2): We'll, like, as it is. We're we, we've already dedicated a little airtime to AI just now. Elysse: One of them I want to include because it's really, we've never, I don't think we've talked about something like this before. Okay. Okay. Okay. It seems like pretty new. Well, I think it's pretty new. I, I don't know, but let, let's, let's just, I was just feeling Gavin: spicy and jaded last week anyway. It was like so much ai. I feel like I'm just getting hit over the head with it every day and I'm like, oh my God. Elysse: Yeah. Can we please stop talk? The ai ai fire hose? Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Okay. I'll share my screen and we can start, but, and you guys haven't seen any of these yet? Shawn (2): No. Oh, really? These are, I'm surprised not even from Slack. Are these Elysse: No, these are all like, I haven't posted, most, most of these I like, have kept to myself already. Whoa. Um, cool. Gavin: I want whatever this is. New podcast purchased. Right. Okay. Those are the weirdest looking scoot. Sorry, go ahead. It's Elysse: so weird. So the first link is called Infinite Machine. It's infinite machine.com and it's a New York, New York based startup, and they're making an innovative alternative to traditional vehicles, I [00:07:00] guess the post car future. And their flagship product is called the P one, which is a high performance electric scooter that looks nothing like a cyber truck spoiler. It looks exactly like cyber truck. Looks exactly like a cyber truck, but its it's hyper scooter. It's totally cyber truck scooter. That's hilarious. It's so funny. Um, and this scooter, I, it goes pretty fast. I don't know the regulations around scooters. Like I know Shawn (2): you don't need a driver's license to drive them on the road. Gavin: It has to, has to be under 50 cc, so 49 or less, but I don't know how that works. How do they measure electric? Is it, is it, I don't know. Output Elysse: voltage. So this gets up to 55 miles per hour. Gavin: Oh, wow. Fast. That's pretty fast. Six Shawn (2): to five 80. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. It's perfect for town Elysse: and then it gets up to 60 miles on a single charge, which seems really low. That's not that far. A hundred hours, 60 miles Gavin: on a charge. Well, I mean, if you're bombing around town, that's all week, man. Like, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't know. Elysse: Yeah, that's true. I Gavin: guess it comes down to price and charge time. Like if you [00:08:00] get home and charge it overnight and you're always at a hundred and then all of a sudden you, you gotta do a bunch of run around that day, the likelihood of you spending a hundred kilometers on that thing in, in the city is like zero. Elysse: Yeah. Okay. That's fair. Um. Okay. They have a touchscreen, which is crazy for a scooter that's kind of weird fit ring. Like Italians are just screaming at the audacity that there is a touchscreen on this thing. Um, they have front and rear cameras, GPS tracking and wireless car play on a scooter. Come Gavin: on. That's Shawn (2): all Gavin: really cool. Shawn (2): I love that. Right. If you get, if you get a little further down, you can get a trailer, a little boombox, speaker that attaches to the side. Wow. You can cargo boxes and then you can bring a spare battery or two if you want. Like the battery can be removed in charge. It's renewable. Yeah. Oh, Gavin: that's nice. Really Elysse: throw in the Shawn (2): trailer. Elysse: I think, Sean, you might have already seen the price, but what would you be, if you [00:09:00] haven't already yet, what would be your, your assumption on cost guess and Gav was yours? Guess Gavin: I'm gonna guess 15 K Canadian. Shawn (2): Yeah, I was gonna guess 10 K us so. Elysse: Is that because you saw the price? No, I Shawn (2): haven't seen it. No. Oh, I'm, I'm looking for it now. I'm like, Elysse: yeah, so starting price is $10,000, I assume. USD, so you're both pretty close and you just have to put down like a thousand dollars deposit. Uh, they ship internationally. Shawn (2): Yeah. I can't decide if I would rather have silver or flat black. Like the black looks pretty dope. Elysse: Oh, I haven't even got that far. Isn't it interesting though? Like, look how cool it looks? Yeah, Gavin: I like it. So I feel like that would get dirty so fast. I'd probably be sober. Totally. Elysse: Um, as much as I, Shawn (2): I, sorry, Elysse: I was just gonna say for only ear listeners, it, it genuinely looks like the cyber truck. Like it's very, uh, well, not like Gavin: the, um, not the actual shape, but like the, um, what is that? The aesthetic poly cyber truck Aesthetic Angle. Angle. This is what I wanted talk about Shawn (2): angles, is this idea that, um, like while I personally [00:10:00] don't love the look of the cyber truck, I really appreciate that um, they did something totally. Um, I shouldn't say totally new, like the DeLorean had kind of a cyber truck vibe or vice versa, but, um, they did something just like very different cars are all, uh, for, for years now have been like coalescing on this super generic, this is what a car looks like. This is what an SUV looks like. Yeah. Um, and like it's cool that cyber truck like broke the mold of that. It's like boom, like a cyber truck really stands out and now you can see it influencing other industrial design applications. Um, you know, somebody does something new, people look at it as inspiration and they start applying it, um, to scooters and other things. Yeah. So what would a cyber toaster look like? Shawn: Uh, to the thing Shawn (2): Oh, go Gavin: ahead. I was just gonna say the nice thing about this, um, scooter [00:11:00] being electric is that, um, you get way more storage. It's like a Tesla. You get, there's like storage everywhere. Elysse: Yeah, Gavin: I also looked up the conversion on 65 miles per hour. It's actually a little over a hundred kilometers an hour. Uh, okay. It says 104. So like, I mean, for scooter, that's pretty frigging fast. Like yeah, those open legs and stuff. Like I've had a scooter. I had like the BWS, the big wheel scooter, the Yamaha or whatever or whatever. Um, and it did about 60 I think. And when I was cruising, going 60 in that thing with Mike sandals and shorts down by the beach, I was like, that was, that felt fast Elysse: danger. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. I'm like doing a hundred on this thing zipping through town, wind in my hair. Don't laugh. Shawn (2): One of the most common injuries in Bali is like tourists crashing their scooters. Elysse: Mm-hmm. You're covering their insurance for, for motorcycle incidences in Asia. I don't think they like keep that out. Um. How long until this is in like a New York City Street and someone just rips this off. One of [00:12:00] one of them totally just takes the screen off. Gavin: I'm also interested like how, I don't know about you guys, but my touchscreen phone, my Apple phone, uh, iPhone sucks when it's wet on the screen. Like how does that touch screen work when it's wet? Elysse: Oh, yeah. I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, Gavin: I'm also not in a big hurry to like ride my scooter or motorbikes when it's raining, but sometimes you don't have a choice, like if that's your means of transportation, it's like, suck it up, put on your rain jacket and go Elysse: mm-hmm. It is giving Polestar vibes and they put it right next to two pole stars, which I think is really interesting. Oh yeah. Shawn (2): Interesting. Elysse: Fits right in. Shawn (2): Is it associated with Volvo? Is that a, is that like a little nod to Volvo? Elysse: I'm not sure. Uh, I'd have to look it up. It would either be. Well, no, it's a startup. They said it's a, yeah, new York's Big Start, New York based startup. So maybe there's, they have like a Volvo Geely or something. Polestar thing. Gavin: Yeah. That headlight's so dope. The big square headlight is my [00:13:00] favorite. Elysse: Yeah. It's so big. Obnoxious. That flat Gavin: panel on the front too of the handlebar is just begging for stickers. I want to, I wanna buy one. Yeah. And sticker the shit out of this thing. Elysse: It's also aluminum, I think. Interesting. So it is, which is the cyber truck, right? Cybert truck is also aluminum or stainless steel? Stainless steel. I actually Shawn (2): have no idea. I, I feel like stainless steel. I think it's stainless. Yeah. Just like the DeLorean, um, oh yeah. Elysse: No motorcycle license needed. Hmm. Shawn (2): The um, I think it's funny that on their about page, we're still talking Infinite machine. They say our first product is a radical new personal electric vehicle. It's like, you can just say scooter bro. Yeah, it's a scooter. Gavin: Scooters are Elysse: cool, Gavin: man. I loved my big wheel scooter. They're fun. Elysse: Yeah, about, uh, so pre-order your cyber scooter, um, actually have a thousand bucks. Gavin: I have a funny story about a scooter when I had my big wheel scooter. So when you're on a motorbike and you ride past another motorcyclist usually do [00:14:00] like this wave, like the little two finger, like what a, you know? Mm-hmm. And this was the first like two wheel vehicle I've ever had. And I was in, uh, Parksville, which is on Vancouver Island summer. Scooting down. I'm just like, yeah, this is fun. And this Harley comes riding towards me. I, I mean, I didn't really think anything of it. I saw the bike and I was like, oh, cool. And, uh, he does like one of the waves to me and I totally was not expecting it. And like, I like, thought it would be rude if I didn't. So like, I quickly like waved back, but like, I jiggled my handlebars. Oh no. 'cause I did it too quick and I was like, woo. You know, like it was, uh, it got all wobbly. I didn't fall or anything, but it probably looked like the nerdiest thing of all time. Like, the guy must have been like looking in his rear view mirror going like, dear God, what is, what is happening? So, Elysse: and Sorry you did fall? Gavin: No, no, I didn't fall. Elysse: You just had a speed wobble and back. Yeah. I just, I was just like, hi. Gavin: You know, and kind of drives past, I was like, that's so funny. Oh, that was awkward. You know, me on my scooter. Elysse: You been on a scooter? I've only done like from, from [00:15:00] Motos. Gavin: Mm. I liked my scooter. I mean, I've had everything from sport bike to cruisers to scooters, and. I like 'em all. Elysse: Ooh, that's a good ba name. Cruisers to scooters. Sean, you were gonna say you wanted to toss a, a Shawn (2): bonus link, but we're not on the premium plan. I literally can't chat with you. How do I share? I just shared in Slack. Oh, on Riverside? Yeah. Shared Slack. Yeah. Yeah, on Riverside. That's hilarious. So you can't share links anymore, uh, in the chat on live unless you're, uh, Elysse: this is a cyber toaster. Whoa. I love it. Gavin: Is that real or did you just AI that shit that looks like Yeah. Yeah. I just AIed it. Oh, okay. I love it. Nice here for it. Pretty sick. Yeah. I would buy that mostly just to hear my wife groan every morning when she makes toast. She'd be like, oh my God. Ugh. Shawn (2): Can we talk about how dope? My personalized mini link is nr DB rrn.co. Elysse: Yeah, that is good. Shawn (2): Yeah, it's okay. I, [00:16:00] I used Clean shot to do that, by the way. Nice. Shout out. Elysse: Um, this next link is the only a AI link and uh, yeah, it's the only ai AI link, but I think it's kind of interesting. So it's called, uh, cortical Laps. Shawn (2): Did they jack our homepage menu? Elysse: It looks very similar. It's um, okay. It's an Australian biotech company and they're pioneering the field of, uh, biological computing by integrating living neurons with silicone chips. So their flagship product is the CL one, which is the world's first commercially available biological computer that allows developers and researchers to deploy code directly to a lab grown human neuron. Gavin: I'm uncomfortable with this. I was imagining like hamsters running Elysse: isn't that crazy? Like it seems so future for that [00:17:00] to be a thing. Gavin: Is there like a, a, an ethical dilemma there? Like they're taking like hu it is, I don't know if it's human cells, but like, are they like converting like cells from let's say humans and making it do the, I don't know, like Elysse: I feel like there's a gray Gavin: area there. Yeah, Elysse: totally. The use cases that they have outlined are medical research, which totally makes sense. Mm-hmm. So like modeling human brain activity and like neurological diseases and drug responses and all that stuff. Right. Um, and the other medical part of it is that they're trying to reduce the need for animal testing, which I don't know, there's like, again, like issues with humans doing that too. Mm-hmm. The AI part is the, like integration of bio or biological neurons offer like a new approach to ai. Leading systems that learn more efficiently, require less energy than traditional silicone [00:18:00] based ai. Don't really know what that means. Um, yeah. But it does touch on the ethical considerations. So living neurons raises ethical questions about consciousness and the treatment of biological materials in computing, prompting discussion in scientific communities. But isn't that crazy that we're here? Shawn (2): Yeah. So I read about this like over a decade ago. I don't know if it was cor collapse, but it was in a book called The New New Thing, uh, by Michael Lewis, I believe. Yeah. Um, and, uh, uh, I, I like Michael Lewis as an author. Some people say like, anyway, whatever. This is not a, a treatise on Michael Lewis. But, uh, it was a great book and it talked about, um, early days of browsers and internet and tech billionaires in Silicon Valley, a little bit of a history of Silicon Valley. And one of the things they talked about was biological computing. Yeah. And how even at that time they were already using, [00:19:00] um, I don't know if it was human cells, but um, biological cells for memory storage. I guess like if you think about how efficient, um, biology is compared to like how energy efficient biology is compared to silicon based, like computers like, like our, our entire bodies and brains, we use like what the same wattage as like a 10 watt light bulb or something. Like, it's just so low power to power our bodies. Um, now we are like turning food into energy, which computers don't do, like, we don't have to put like, fuel into our computers yet. Yeah, yeah. But, um, I don't know. I think this is really interesting and I also think it's interesting from a, um, memory expansion. Sort of perspective. Like apparently on one inch by one inch of human flesh, you can store like an SD card's worth of [00:20:00] information or something like that. What? That's crazy. Yeah. Um, now don't quote me on that. Like I, uh, it's been a decade since I read this book. Um, I'm just gonna ask Chad, GPT to verify that how much data can be stored in one. But go ahead. Elysse: Such a, just saying that out loud is such a wild pro. Um, I was just gonna point out that they also stole our pong. I used to have Pong on the website. Gavin: That's true. Elysse: Which we should totally bring back. That was great. Gavin: That was fun. Shawn (2): Yeah. Wow. This is interesting. Check it out. One gram of DNA, I don't know if this is related to my, my, my query can theoretically store 215 petabytes of data. Whoa. 215 million gigabytes. Wow. Um, estimating flesh based storage. Um, so, uh, 1% of the volume of flesh is, [00:21:00] um, DNA. So, uh, there are about 1 billion cells in one centimeter square of tissue. So total DNA 8.2 billion times 6 49 milligrams of DNA would be about 10.5 petabytes of information you could store in a single inch of human flesh. That's wild. That crazy. It's all theoretical. Um, and, uh, but like, I dunno, biological computing, it's gonna be a major breakthrough once. I think so too. Once this kind of stuff happens between that Gavin: and the quantum computing movement, like, it'd be interesting. Elysse: Mm-hmm. Yeah. What do you think that it would do for like human consciousness? This is a deeper question. Maybe we, maybe we talk about this when we're all eating mushrooms at the summit instead, but Gavin: very, uh, yeah. Um, I wonder, I think it that [00:22:00] it would come down to access, right? Like, if I can store that information in myself, that's cool, but like, how do I get it? How does my brain get it? Like, the storage is theoretical, but like, does my my brain know how to access that random memory? Shawn (2): I don't know. I'm, I'm reading a really interesting, uh, audio book, sort of listening to, it's called Children of Time by Adrian Shikowsky. It's a pretty highly recommended sci-fi and, uh, in book two of the initial three book series, um, there's a human scientist whose consciousness has been uploaded into, uh, satellite, um, and. Um, she seems very distressed because she can no longer feel her body, um, but still feels like her. So she becomes aware that she is essentially a simulation of herself, but it doesn't feel any different. She just lacks emotional capacity, like lacks the ability to really [00:23:00] feel emotion. Um, but like logically, um, she feels like she exists, you know? So there's this whole like, I don't know, this whole idea of like, okay, maybe some percentage of our consciousness could be uploaded to a machine and we would like have enough self-awareness via that consciousness that we would feel like we exist. But like all the faculties that involve a physical body would no longer be available to us or something. Hmm. Um, yeah, I don't know. I find that super interesting. Elysse: Mm-hmm. Um. It said somewhere up here that we could buy. Okay. So buy the CL one before I click it. What do you think it costs? Shawn (2): Oh boy. Gavin: The computer. Elysse: It says buy the CL one. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Gavin: Yeah. I don't know. Like a hundred grand like that. That seems like what? I'm very specific. I can't imagine It's Shawn (2): cheap watch. It's like a tamagotchi. It's like 15 bucks. Gavin: Yes. Shawn (2): They're [00:24:00] like, we grew this in a lab. Whatever. I doubt they Gavin: price. Yeah. There you Shawn (2): go. Elysse: Frie. Well, it's certainly more than I, I think we think, Shawn (2): and I, I feel like if I purchased this, like the secret police would knock on my door for some reason. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Like what's your interest in biological computing? You know, a Elysse: really good band name, secret police. Oh, that is a good name. Um, this is probably very good for people who, or not people currently. Maybe It's very good for. The medical world, researching things like dementia and yeah. Alzheimer's and all that stuff. Uh, yeah, probably very, very positive for all of those neurological conditions. Anyways, Shawn (2): this is insane. Just Elysse: thought it was cool. Shawn (2): Yeah, very cool. Elysse: And like beautiful website Shawn (2): and I'm, can I just shout out their buttons? The, um, they're, they're using the one pixel, shadow top and bottom. Like [00:25:00] this is, um, MetaLab circa 1999, you know, um, I love it. It's, it's, that's a great, that's nice website. I love it coming. Good job. Yeah. Elysse: Yeah. It's super, super nice. Okay, uh, let's get rid of these. So that was cortical CL one, if you wanna take a look at it. Okay. This next one. Is kind of like a boring product, but I like the website a lot. So Sublime app, it's a personal knowledge management tool to help you collect and organize and like manage ideas that inspire you. Which we've seen, like we've seen this. It's the, yeah, it's this Shawn (2): like Evernote or, Elysse: yeah. Uh, and it does mostly the same thing. So you just like capture stuff that you like, you can like organize your collections and like visualize it with canvases. Uh, you can find like related ideas, uh, search intuitively, all that stuff. But I thought they just did a really good job with it. Like it looks really clean. Shawn (2): Yeah. What's that other [00:26:00] app that I was using a bit? Um, my mind. So many of them. My mind. Yeah, my mind. It's sort of related, I think. Elysse: Yeah. Looks nice. Very cool. If you're into this stuff. Shawn (2): Ah, cool. Elysse: Are you into this stuff, Gavin? Gavin: Um, the idea of it, yeah. I mean, I use obsidian notes. I'm, I'm a big like, knowledge gathering person. It's easy to fall down a rabbit hole and think you need to gather everything. It's taken me years to like realize how little I actually need to gather. Um, when I had Evernote, I had so much shit in there that I never actually referred to. Mm-hmm. Shawn: Um, Gavin: so I, I it's, it's like a dangerous thing, man. It's like, uh, you know, first, first one's free drug dealer kind of thing. It's like, yeah, come taste it and then put all your shit in here and you feel so invested. Um, yeah, but I mean, overall, I love those tools. I like, I'm, I, I love obsidian. I used to love Evernote until they became awful and yeah, Elysse: I was this how often? Oh, [00:27:00] oh, go ahead, Sean. Shawn (2): Oh, I was just gonna say, I was doing this thing for a while, um, when I was reading physical books, um, before I had a child, uh, where I would like take a picture of a page in a book. Because there was an a piece I wanted to highlight, and this was essentially me, like highlighting bits and books and then stick it in an Evernote notebook and then write like one or two sentences what I thought about that, you know? Mm. And I've collected like a thousand of these, um, in an Evernote notebook, um, that I eventually migrated out into a markdown thing. But anyway, um, I could, like, I no longer have that habit of sitting and reading physical books and taking photos of the pages, but collecting the concept of collecting random tidbits that could, um, force new creative ideas or pathways or thoughts I find interesting. Mm-hmm. Like, it seems like creativity is [00:28:00] taking two pretty normal humdrum things and combining them in a new way. Um, or like new ideas are often the product of old ideas shaken up and merged. Um, so. My favorite Gavin: method of that is, um, something called Zal Castin, which is a method of note taking that I've adopted specifically for that, what you're talking about. And I find it to be like, sort of like the superpower of that thing where it's like potentially unrelated ideas, but as you collect more of them, you sort of link to other adjacent ideas. But it creates this network that you can walk through and, um, become linked. And it makes like this mind map. And what I find interesting is if I have an idea, I type it into my idea section of obsidian. I'll land there, maybe one of those notes, but then I start like clicking through and following the thread and you end up in weird areas that were like somehow linked, but you didn't see the link until it went three notes deep. Anyway. It's fascinating. So if you like taking, um, [00:29:00] book notes like that and just writing down like a little tidbit, I think they call it like an atomic note or something. It's meant to be small and then you link it to others. It's uh, it's really cool. Elysse: Neat. Gavin: It's et caston. It's a German guy's way of original note taking. And then everybody like modernized it. Elysse: I got his last name spelled wrong the first time. It's a very hard word to spell without. Mm-hmm. Knowing it, um, pretty pricey. So you get a basic free subscription or you can get like a 75, only 50 cards Shawn (2): in there. Yeah. On the basic free. Wow. Wow. So for Elysse: premium for the year, 75 bucks. Unlimited cards. It does Kindle too, which I think is, that's pretty, pretty cheap. Shawn (2): You know, even a hundred bucks a year. What is that? That's $8 a month. Something like that. Gavin: That's reasonable. I guess it depends on how much you use it. And the feature set. Elysse: Ooh, lifetime 401 time fee. Wow. Gavin: Actually, yeah, I'm just thinking of the, how much I pay for Obsidian Sync. I can use obsidian for free and hook it up to [00:30:00] Dropbox, but I'm just too lazy. So I like their obsidian sync tool. It's really fast and it's, um, secure end-to-end. Like they use, um, like end-to-end encryption. So my data passing through is totally useless to them. And uh, I think I pay eight bucks a month for that and that's great. Shawn (2): Is Pocket still around Gavin: like the note capture tool or what, what was Pocket like? It was a link capture tool. Link capture? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What I Shawn (2): found about that, I liked it, but I was overwhelmed by the amount of links I captured and never really like went back to sort of a bookmarking system. But there was just like a, a browser extension. You would click add to pocket and it was add it, you know? Yeah, I remember that. Um, is there like an AI powered pocket these days? 'cause it would be pretty interesting to like click a browser extension to collect links and then, um, or take the links we're collecting every week. Um. And then, I don't know, like somehow summarize them or like take [00:31:00] ideas from them. Like just do something with that information. Shawn: Mm-hmm. Shawn (2): Um, I sometimes feel like we're forcing our brains to do things they're not meant to do. Like maybe some information is just meant to dissipate. Like come and go. Um, I, I read a thing this week, sorry, this is a tangent and it does touch on ai. Um, I read a thing this week that talked about how we keep thinking technology will give us, um, more freedom and less, uh, work time. And if you look at the last a hundred years, like, yes, that has happened. Um. We used to spend like 60 hours a week on subsistence living and farming and surviving. And now we spend, you know, 35 hours a week and the rest of the time we watch TV or something. Um, but uh, in the short term here with this AI trend, it seems to me like it is only increasing productivity pressure. Like, um, yeah, [00:32:00] the, I can get so much more done in an hour. It inflates the value of an hour of work so that an hour of leisure becomes more costly to me mentally. Shawn: Hmm. Shawn (2): Um, that's not my original idea that came from, uh, it is slipping my mind. Uh, lemme see if I can find it. Find only you Gavin: add an AI tool to remind you. Shawn (2): I know, exactly. Yeah. An article that I read. Um, we can. We can shout it out in the, uh, show notes. But, um, anyway, yeah, this idea that like, and I felt this, and Gavin, you felt this. So we got, we got that one gig to do, like to vibe code a thing for a guy. Yeah. And, um, it turned out that it was just like two weeks of all in super intense prompting, prompting, prompting, let's get this thing out. And you did way more than [00:33:00] you would otherwise have been capable of doing in a two week period. Yeah. Um, but it like raised the stakes of what you can accomplish in a two week period. Yeah, that's true. So it didn't like free, free you up now to spend half your time mountain biking. In fact, it increased the intensity of the pace of your work. Um, yeah. The expectation Gavin: felt higher. Shawn (2): Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. I think there's this, like, we're entering this era of like higher expectations on technology workers, um, with ai. Gavin: Yeah, that's an interesting take. I've definitely felt that like, you know, you're working on something and I'm like, oh, it's taken me a while. And I kind of go like, man, this should not be taking me as long anymore. If I get stuck on something like these AI tools should help me. You know, I don't, I don't normally like vibe code in the traditional sense. I often use it as like a sounding board or if I get stuck on something instead of like looking up the docs on how to do use a specific library, like having it right inside my code [00:34:00] editor and like Sidekick or CLI tool that, that's just essentially how I use it. Right. And I'll say like, you know, help me audit this, whatever, or, or write scaffolding of like boring shit, like a Django model. They can type it faster than I can, which is great. But um, yeah, that, that coming back around to that, that that expectation around it is super interesting. And I wonder if that will only accelerate as these tools get smarter. You know, it's like. Be like, man, you're gonna charge me six months for an app. Like that should be done in a month and it should be better than it ever has been. Elysse: Hmm. I just wanna point out that the week that we did like special curated links we're having really good conversations, you know? Shawn: Interesting. Oh, you got like Elysse: non-AI ones? Not that we don't normally, but mm-hmm. Like last week as an example, when we had eight links that were ai, it's like rinse and repeat the same thing. It's like there's, there's nothing exciting or new to talk about on the same topic of the, the same link that we're basically repeating. Shawn: True. Elysse: Yeah. But yeah. Anyways, [00:35:00] sublime, sublime app. Check it out if you want to check it out or don't Gavin: use obsidian Elysse: or are you obsidian? Um, okay. This one I thought was really cool and it's sort of on topic because, um, Sean had a good story yesterday about his bike. Um. So this is color monkey.com and it's a Belgian based custom bike workshop. Mm-hmm. Um, so it transforms your road bikes or mountain bikes into like personalized works of art. Gavin: Oh, di dope. Like they do, like wraps on them. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Uh, so Elysse: they do custom paint work, carbon fiber repairs, like frame repairs, um, and like a bunch of other stuff, consulting, but they, they make these really sweet vibey bikes. Shawn (2): I just wanna point out that color is spelled the American way. C-O-L-O-R. Elysse: Yeah. That's weird. Shawn (2): Yeah. Stupid. Elysse: Especially given that the rest of the website is in, um, Dutch. Let's change that. There we go. [00:36:00] Yeah. Beautiful website, Gavin: Belgian. But I can definitely see this though, like, some of these bikes are, you know, 20, $30,000, you know, people wrap their cars, uh, or, or motorcycles. So to, you know, you spending that much money on a bike, especially if you're. Like a pro athlete or even semi-pro and trying to mm-hmm. Like, make a splash, you know, whatever. Um, yeah. Cool idea for sure. Yeah. I don't know if, depending on how much cost I, like, I fuck up my bike so fast. I, I don't think I could ever actually pay for someone to paint it Shawn (2): for me. There's that, there's that Instagram company, not an Instagram company, but a company I keep getting Instagram ads for that is custom bike wraps. Um, and it gripped me because, uh, they feature a canyon mountain bike, um, and, and I ride a canyon, but, um, as in their, in their ad. Um hmm. Where is it? I'm just gonna find it. 'cause it is, it's a hundred percent related to this, but it's like you can just go online and [00:37:00] buy it, you know? Huh? And you do the wrap yourself Is the, uh, Gavin: ooh, I wonder how hard that is. Shawn (2): I've watched some videos on. Like people wrapping things and it's pretty cool, like the heat gun and the wrap and how it just like grabs it. It's uh, it's almost a SMR watching people wrap things. And Elysse: don't you have to like spray it with water too? Shawn (2): Uh, I don't know. Hmm, hmm hmm. Of course I get this ad all the time and now that I'm actually looking for it, I can't get it. Elysse: While you're looking for it, I just wanna point out how cool this expand button is. Gavin: Yeah. It kind of like squiggles out of the way. Elysse: Yeah. It like dances with you. Gavin: Yeah. Love a good SDL button. Elysse: Woo Gavin: woo. Go buddy. Go. Elysse: Yeah, it's like very nice website for not like that bike ops shouldn't have nice websites, but they did a really good job Shawn (2): for like a bike shop. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn (2): Mm-hmm. [00:38:00] Should we do a bike shop website? What's the co-op downstairs? The Harbor City Hub City cycles or whatever? Yeah. Yeah. We should make, do they website. Oh, oh, oh, I Gavin: see. I was gonna say that's like a co-op that I don't think they have like huge website budgets. Who knows? Shawn (2): Oh yeah. I'm not talking about like getting paid their one to make a bike shop website. I can't imagine. Oh, I think meant real. The existing Gavin: one. Like, let's check it out. I'm like, I don't think that's gonna be good. Oh yeah. Yeah. Shawn (2): Um, okay, so, uh, oh, should I pivot back to an AI topic? Yes. We're trying to avoid AI this week. Um, I think I'm gonna have mentioned this before, but on the topic of bike shops who can't afford sick websites, um, I do think that AI is potentially opening up a market for designers and developers to do small business projects, um, who otherwise may not have been able to afford sick websites. Mm-hmm. Uh, so you could like vibe code a pretty sick bike shop website, um, in a much shorter time than it would take to [00:39:00] just like hand bomb it all. Um, so yeah, that was my point. Shawn: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Gavin: Yeah, that trend's definitely happening. Uh, a friend of mine wanted me to help him build like a little tool for managing like, um, like a shop site that he had and stuff. And I just pointed him at lovable. I was like, look man, like I could help you with this, but if that's all you want, just prompt this thing and see how far you get. And he made it no problem. Like a few days learning and stuff. And I mean, it's not great, you know, but it's, it's more than enough than what he needed. Good example. Elysse: Bikes. Go check it out. Yeah. Color monkey. Gavin: Color monkeys spelled the wrong way. Elysse: Color monkey spelled the wrong way. This is a website called Sons and Daughters, uh, xyz. I thought this was just like a cool concept, which is why I included it. And the website's also really nice for. Uh, I guess like what it is. So it's a digital story storytelling project that delves into the history of, uh, Chinese Canadian [00:40:00] restaurants and cafes across the country. Shawn: I Shawn (2): love this. Every Elysse: town has like a small Chinese restaurant. You know nothing about it. Like the Shawn (2): original family owned Chinese place. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Elysse: Um, so it just talks about like a bunch of these cross country from, uh, most of them I think in on this website specifically are in the prairies. Um, and they just like highlight the experience of establishing a Chinese skating restaurant. Um, and I think it's really cool. And they like the photography's beautiful. They do mostly Saskatchewan, I think, in this one. Wow. So cool. Shout out to Saskatchewan Prairies. Shawn (2): I love that typography on this website too. Like that, that Sarah font. Yeah. Gavin: One, the image treatments, like the roll downs and pop outs and stuff as you mouse over 'em. Like it's, uh, it's not overdone, but it's like engaging. Elysse: Totally. Really liked it. Uh, yeah. I think this is like more just in the prairies, but [00:41:00] it was just like a very cool, uh, website and I guess they did like a trip cross country and they just did like a photo series of all the Chinese restaurants. Uh, it's just really cool. I liked it a lot. Shawn (2): Yeah. That is so the, the font is New spirit. I think I'm gonna look it up. Oh cool. New spirit font. Yeah. Gavin: Okay. I see. Yeah, I grew up in Saskatchewan and the little Chinese shops are definitely Chinese food shops are definitely a thing there. Elysse: Yeah. Gavin: We used to go at home all the time. Elysse: So the prairies? Yes. So Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Wow. They did one in, um, sea. Sea, she Esteban Saskatchewan. Gavin: Hmm. Elysse: I love that. Where that is. Gavin: So it's making me want Chinese food. Oh, right. Me too. Chinese for lunch. Yeah, there's one down the road from us. It's so good. Called Bamboo Garden. Freaking love it. Elysse: Are they like a family old, like au authentic Nanaimo restaurant? Uh, it's [00:42:00] pretty new. It's pretty new. Yeah. Gavin: But the, yeah, yeah. Elysse: Cool. Uh, sons and daughters. X, Y, Z. Check it out. Super Gavin: cool. Elysse: Pretty cool, cool stuff. Uh, okay. Next link is called shadow map.org. Hey, I shared this. Shawn (2): Yeah. Elysse: Uh, shout out Shawn (2): to Adrian who shared it with me. Elysse: Oh, okay. Shout out to Adrian. It's an interactive 3D platform that allows users to visualize and analyze sunlight and shadow patterns, uh, anywhere on earth for solar, which is cool. Shawn (2): This made me feel better because I bought a house recently and, um, I went there at 7:30 PM and my yard was shaded. And uh, I was like, oh, bummer. Like I don't get that like backyard evening sun. And then I went on shadow map and I realized that 90% of the city I live in is shaded at 7:30 PM due to being in the shadow of Mount Benson. Oh [00:43:00] yeah. So I was like, oh, me and all the neighbors, I didn't just make a bum choice. That's just the way it is here. So, Elysse: uh, when it shows you the use cases for this, I didn't even include them. 'cause I was like, well this is just obvious. It was like if you own a house, if you garden, if you like, all of it was like if you use the sun, the use case, this is a use case for you if you care where the sun is. Shawn (2): Yeah. Uh, if you're on a ball floating in space, that happens to be powered by the heat from the sun. Gavin: So I used to, um. Uh, we used to use something like this for hunting trips too, uh, which is notable. Um, because normally some animals will be on like the south facing side of mountainside at the end of the day because of the sun. So we would actually use it for that too. Elysse: Okay. I am gonna do a live, oh boy. Gavin: Oh geez. This is fun. I didn't actually Elysse: test it out to do it at winter Gavin: time though. Elise, are you on a Windows laptop or something? No. Elysse: [00:44:00] No. Whoa. Gavin: Oh, I love the shadow movement on the trees. Like, it feels like we're playing like, um, SIM City or something here. What is going on? Elysse: Yeah. Also now everybody knows sort of where I live, but that's okay. Shawn (2): Squamish looks cool from above a lot of water. Yeah. Elysse: Mm-hmm. It's cool from below too. Gavin: Yeah. Squam is pretty cool. I had only been there for the first time, like this last fall. Are the Shawn (2): shadows moving for you guys? This like, I don't even, oh, there we go. Gavin: Yeah, Elysse: yeah, yeah, yeah. Gavin: Man, you guys got a lot of sun there. Elysse: I live in a condo so it like really doesn't apply to me, but it's still very cool. Gavin: Nice. Elysse: Whoa. I like, yeah, super neat. Nighttime. Cool. This is Shawn (2): like fuel for your stalkers, Elise. Elysse: I don't have any of those. Not that I want one, but also, thankfully it's not actually my, I think they probably did this on purpose. It's not my, my true address. Oh, I see. It is like [00:45:00] in the vicinity, I suppose. Just in the hood. In the hood. Shawn (2): Just zoom out a little bit. Yeah. Elysse: All the way. Pretty cool. Shadow. Shadow map. Check it out. Cool. If you are like all other humans and require the sun for your use, anything for anything to stay alive. Shawn (2): superpower.com. Like how much did, sorry, we totally pivoted, but how much did that domain cost? Yeah, like somebody dropped a dime on that. Elysse: Yeah, probably a lot. Um, superpower is a health platform, so they focus on preventative, personalized and longevity centered care. Uh, they do comprehensive health assessments, monitoring and like tailor to action plans to optimize health and extend, extend lifespans. This is giving Shawn (2): Theranos? Elysse: It is a little, yeah. Definitely Shawn (2): is a hundred plus lab tests. Whoa, neat. Whoa, trippy. Elysse: Pretty wild. Hey, Shawn (2): really cool transition. They also spent a lot on this website. [00:46:00] Yeah, totally. It's not website. Elysse: Uh, so there. Offers are like a comprehensive health testing. So you'll do like a bunch of lab tests that cover a bunch of health things. So like heart and hormones, liver function, inflammation, all that stuff. And they give you like an overview and your biological age, um, all that fun stuff that people are into these days. And then it gives you like a personalized health plan based on your results. Uh, I love this stuff. Shawn (2): Yeah. We're getting closer and closer to like the gatica where he pees in the al and it tells him to hold off on the salt for the day. Elysse: Yeah. Um, and then you have personal, uh, oh, sorry. 24 hour access to medical support all the time. So like a telehealth on, on demand, I suppose. Cool. Um, it integrates with Oura ring. So Sean, this is looking at you Oh, neat. With your our ring uh, health tracking. Holistic health tracking. So it only costs, actually guess, [00:47:00] guess what the cost is? Gavin: I thought it said at the top it was like 500 bucks. Yeah. Or something. Yeah. So Elysse: it's $500 annually, um, which does two comprehensive tests a year. And then you can like, opt in additional stuff. That's cool. I actually like this. Yeah. It's actually Gavin: relatively reasonable if you're like, big onto that health stuff. So Shawn (2): not to like politicize this conversation at all, but I do find the US seems to have like some cool options for private mm-hmm. Health services. Um, like if you wanna get your, like hormones tested and stuff here, um, often you have to like go see a specialist and that kinda thing. Um, uh, even as I say that, I'm like, is that true? Are hormones that thing? But if I wanna get my blood tested or something, like, you have to like, make appointments and get in line and go do that. I, I feel like the US has more options for this kind of like private indie health stuff. Elysse: Yeah. Indie health, good band name and also like, [00:48:00] I don't know how I feel about indie health, you know? Only 'cause like when I think Indie, I think of like, I don't know, some, some guy in Carhartts. Yeah. With like a sublime shirt on or something. Doesn't Shawn (2): make me think of Brian Johnson. Uh, have you guys watched that Netflix series on uh, uh, it's called Don't Die or something. Um, oh yeah. It's just like him basically trying to extend his, his biological clock. Um, and he's, you know, takes a hundred supplements a day and has this insane, he's like a tech bro millionaire who exited tech and then just literally is investing in his longevity. That's all he does all day is document his longevity journey. Elysse: Hmm. Shawn (2): Um, Elysse: that's interesting. Shawn (2): Yeah. Elysse: Wait, when did my aging goal become one 20? I've, I've opt in for maybe 70, like one 20 is much past what I was requesting. It depends if it's my Shawn (2): [00:49:00] consciousness being uploaded into a machine or not. Elysse: Yeah. Um, how much do you think insurance I, this is like, I, I don't know the answer to this 'cause I think that it's an interesting question, Sean, the US Health thing, 'cause it's a nightmare down there. Uh, how much do you think general health insurance costs and do you think people would use this as like a preventative to lower costs of their insurance? Shawn (2): I don't think the insurance companies are that benevolent that they would lower the cost. No. I mean, would, Elysse: uh, as an individual, like if I say I can get, I can pay $500 a year for this. I know I get two tests and if I am doing that every six months and I'm looking at my health every year, twice a year, detailed tests, I'm kind of looking at it in a preventative way. Like I can at least get on top of things and maybe I can lower my insurance costs. So it's just emergencies slash accidental. Oh, interesting. Shawn (2): Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I don't know too much about the US. Health insurance system, I just hear people [00:50:00] complaining about how expensive it is. Yeah. Um, but then on the other side, I hear people complaining in Canada about how hard it is to see a specialist or get that surgery you need or whatever. Yeah. Um, and we're paying for it anyways in our taxes, so, um, yeah. I don't know. It's interesting. Elysse: Hmm. Yeah. Um, well, superpower.com, if you wanna do, I don't even know if this is available in Canada, but if you're in the States and you wanna join the wait list, you can do that. Pretty cool. Okay. This last link, uh, I only included it because I a hundred percent thought this was a food thing. Because it literally says pizza, but this is an Italian, uh, like uh, high quality plumbing and heating and bathroom furnishes website. Awesome. I love Shawn (2): it. So nice. P pto, I Elysse: guess. PTO is thatto Shawn (2): what it is. It's not pizza I at all. It's pizza too. Yeah, Elysse: pizza too. [00:51:00] Um, but you would not think that this is a bathroom hardware, uh, plumbing website. I think it's really, really nice and weird. Like, it's so weird. Gavin: The domain name's pizza to it's though. Is that pizza? Twats tots, tots pizza. Totz Elysse: it. Yeah. I dunno. Shawn (2): Interesting. Yeah, you know, Italy has this interesting dichotomy in my mind. Like growing up I loved pizza and pasta and you know, as a teenager I thought fashion was pretty cool and I liked super cars and I liked modern design. And there's all this like stuff coming out of Italy. That made me feel like, wow, Italy is this like, modern design paradise, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, and then when I like finally visited Italy, it's like a pretty sort of like gritty, like, um, like I don't wanna put it down. I loved it, but like, [00:52:00] there's a, there's a big difference between the like glossy, modern hotel bathroom and how crowded the beaches are, or like mm-hmm. How messy the streets are in general. Shawn: Mm-hmm. Shawn (2): Um, or how chaotic the general vibe is, you know, like, um, yeah. I find there's, I don't know, there's something, there some weird, fascinating dichotomy that Elysse: Yeah. Shawn (2): Italy has going Gavin: on. Elysse: I hear ya. Yeah. Gavin: I feel like they're leaning into the pizza vibe. All the animations are like round and pizza ish. Yeah, Elysse: I agree. I was bamboozled. I was like, wow, this has gotta be like some tasty pizza. And then I was like, wait a minute, Shawn (2): hold on. This is all plumbing. I, I do have a thing for like plumbing fixtures. Elysse: Maybe pizza to PTO is for you. Pizza. Pizza to, yeah. Shawn (2): Interesting. We need an Italian person to tell us how to pronounce this. Elysse: Yeah, we do. Uh, that's it, that's all. I got some different stuff this week. That Shawn (2): was fun. That was a fun little rum [00:53:00] through the internet. Elysse: Yeah. Yeah. A romp through the internet. Uh, next week, do we wanna go back to AI or are we still avoiding it? I feel like that's cool. No, no. Gavin: We can talk about, I mean, we didn't avoid it this week, so I feel like we need They don't difficult time avoiding it. It's hard. Yeah. So yeah. Not every, we didn't talk about, um, Sean's toothbrush for my glasses. Oh yeah. Do you guys, oh, we got some products. We Eight Elysse: minutes. Gavin: Eight minutes. Let's do go first, Shawn (2): Sean. Okay. Um, I don't know where I left that. Oh yeah. Okay. I'll show you. Yeah. The auto brush. Um, I, so far haven't been able to get my 3-year-old to try this thing. She's kind of scared of it. It's a little bit for her mouth, so, but anyway. Uh, who? No. Mento. Elysse: Um, Han is going to get it. We bought this on the podcast. Six months ago, eight months ago, something like that. Few, Gavin: few months ago for sure. Ago. I dunno if it was that long ago. I think you got it after Christmas. After Christmas. Shawn: Was it Gavin: for, or post-Christmas? You Shawn (2): got this thing, Sean. It took forever. I don't even remember. I ordered it and it showed up like six months later. So here's the auto brush. Um, wow. This is the men's, sorry, the adult version of it. Um, but I, I will give you a short demo. I'm gonna have to [00:54:00] run away and Shawn: yay. I'm Shawn (2): not actually gonna like, fully brush my teeth. But the, um, it is neat in the sense that it takes 30 seconds that as advertised there's a UV light in it. So it makes your mouth glow like a disco. And, um, you even have to use this special foaming toothpaste inside it. Oh, so check it out. So here's the, here's the thing, and then you take this little squishy and you put the foaming toothpaste in the grooves. You know, do, do, do. I didn't read the instructions, I just figured that out so I could be doing it wrong. Okay. And then, okay, this is, this is, that's like the hair gel and then you just put this whole thing in your mouth. Okay. So now it's gonna get weird. I just like, okay, hold on. Do you like, do you hold onto it or do you bite it? Like what activates it? You have to bite it. They say to bite down so that all the bristles go right up into your gums and everything. Okay. Leaning the Gavin: tension of you biting is gonna activate it? Shawn (2): No, no, you gotta push a button. Gavin: Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I see. Okay. Check it out.[00:55:00] Shawn: Oh yeah. You like straight up going. That's crazy. Oh yeah, that's loud. Gavin: Oh, you have to Elysse: move it? Gavin: Mm-hmm. Elysse: Oh wow. Gavin: Interesting. Elysse: What would Jess think of this? Gavin: I don't know. I'm gonna ask her. I'm gonna send her to the podcast. Elysse: Okay. So what does the UV do? It does it just, I think it's supposed to Gavin: kill bacteria. Like bacteria, like UV light is supposed to like, 'cause they make like those phone cases that are like, yeah. UV lights and I think it's supposed to kill bugs or whatever it is. Elysse: Yeah. Crazy. Killing bugs in Sean's mouth. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Huh? Um hmm. I mean, the thirties, that was seconds. Oh, that was, it was, Shawn (2): that was the whole brush that was done. Yeah. So crazy. Wow. Excuse me while I go get rid of this toothpaste. Yeah, that's fine. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn (2): Yeah. Elysse: Um, that was fun. My demo, like a Sonicare, the, oh, are you wearing your glasses? Gavin: Yeah, yeah. I'm wearing the, holy Elysse: shit. Okay. Sorry. I didn't realize, I thought those were just your normal glasses. They look like good, normal glasses. Gavin: Yeah. Yep. [00:56:00] Elysse: Whoa. Okay, so we'll get to that in a sec. I have the normal Sonicare, which is what, like two minutes you brush your teeth. Yeah, Gavin: I think mine's a two minute. Yeah, I have a Sonicare too. Elysse: So bored. Like after like a minute, I'm like, is this not enough? Like, it seems like it's enough, you know? So 30 seconds is kind of interesting. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. I wonder, um, I should ask Jess. My, my wife's a hygienist has been for quite a while now, like over 10, 15 years. Anyways, um. But, uh, she swears by it, like they've, they've used like all the different toothbrushes and stuff and Sonicare. Mm-hmm. It's kind of top of the list for it's, um, I don't know, bristles, but also it's like the frequency at which it brushes or something. Yeah. Without doing gum damage anyways. Elysse: Yeah. Oh, so Sean, you used it for the first time and you said it made your gums bleed. Right. So has it gotten better? Gavin: No, they still bleed. They Shawn (2): bled just now. Oh yeah. Wow, man. So it's like, is it the bristles, like jab into your gums? So the bristles, there's a combination of rubber bristles and Oh, bristle [00:57:00] bristles. And the rubber bristles really rub on your gums. Um, oh. So I don't know. And like, maybe I just don't floss often enough. Gavin: Interesting. Shawn (2): I Gavin: wonder if it's supposed to, like, I'm trying to remember the terms my wife uses. Um, there's like, when your gums aren't activated enough, they start getting gaps and you get like these, she calls 'em pockets and then like you get bacteria in there and stuff. I wonder if those are like trying to massage your gums to like keep them like, um. Engaged your pockets or tight or Elysse: less pockety. Yeah, Gavin: yeah. Whatever the term is. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn (2): Yeah. Interesting. So Adrian on the team, uh, watched a YouTube video about this, where the guy, um, put dye in his mouth. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Used the auto use that on our kids all the time, clean it. And, um, he said it didn't do as good a job as a regular electric toothbrush. Okay. Yeah. Um, interesting. I mean, so, but the auto brush, people say it does a better job. Uh, so, Elysse: but you're, I guess the point of this was because brushing kids' teeth is a nightmare, so it, it, it probably is a little easier for [00:58:00] that. Shawn (2): Yeah. It's likely doing a better job than Riley is doing. Brushing. Right, right. Yeah. So it's Gavin: like, pick your poison. Right? It's like, yeah, the electric in theory does better, but which one actually does better in practice? Shawn (2): That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. So if I can get Riley to use it, it will save us some hassle at, uh, bedtime. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, so I'm, I'm eagerly awaiting the day that she just wants to put that thing in her mouth and use it. Cool. Yeah. That's sweet. Elysse: Well keep us posted. Um, I realized while you were gone that Gavin has been wearing his glasses the whole time and they look like normal human, like nice glasses. Gavin: Yeah. Great. Yeah. Overall I am pretty impressed with them. Um, you guys probably can't hear it, but as a test, I've been listening to lo-fi hip hop, this entire podcast. Yep. No way. I couldn't hear it. Wow. Yeah, exactly. That's one of my favorite things. So I did, just did a Comic-Con in the mall here not too long ago. I wore these glasses just for fun. Um, 'cause I had got them, I wanted to see like the weight of them all day and how I liked them. One of my favorite features is that I can listen to music, sort of like I would with [00:59:00] my AirPods, but like, you know, at a con like that, if I have AirPods in, people are gonna think like I'm ignoring them. Right. Whereas, you know, I'll take my headphones off just having my headphones like, or you know, just walking around like this, I can still hear music. Shawn: Mm-hmm. Gavin: But it looks like I'm just wearing glasses. Right. Um, so it's a really cool vibe for that. That's like probably my number one feature is just like this casual background listening. With my ears exposed and wearing glasses, it doesn't work. Look like I'm wearing like those weird jawbone headphones or, or whatever. Mm-hmm. Um, the downsides are, uh, the battery life is awful. Like when I'm listening to music, maybe four hours if I'm lucky. Um, if it was like six, I'd be a little more engaged. Eight, I'd be like, yes, these are the best things ever, right? Mm-hmm. Um, but because I listen to music a lot, that's like kind of my number one feature. The weight is up there, not as bad. Like it's way better than I thought it would be, but they're definitely chunky glasses. Like if you look at 'em in compared to like my current ones, [01:00:00] which are like mm-hmm. A little thinner, um, I, I noticed them. Right. And after that day, granted it was the first time I'd ever worn them. I wore 'em all day at this con and I was like, I was like, these are starting to feel like a brick on my head, you know? Yeah. Um, but even today I've been wearing 'em for a bit and I'm already getting more used to it, so that might be a non-issue. Um, the other things that I really liked. Are the AI built in. So I can do like, Hey, meta, take a picture there. You probably saw it flash. Yeah, it literally just took a picture of you guys. Well, whatever I'm looking at. Neat. And you can stream video too, so feel like I'm on Instagram. I could do like an Instagram reel and say like, I won't say it out loud, otherwise it's gonna start it. But I could say, Hey, like, start a Instagram reel and like, it would be streaming what I'm looking at instead of me holding a phone, which is really cool. Oh, that's Shawn: cool. Yeah, yeah, Gavin: yeah. Um, some of the other stuff I thought would be cool is when you look at something I can ask for, like translations or what I'm looking at, which sometimes I'll be like in the, um, we have like Wayfair here, I think is what it's called. And there's like this Asian and [01:01:00] other stuff. Um, oh, fairway. Fairway. Thank you. And, uh, I can't read the labels, but I often wonder like, what's in there or like, wanna translate some of it and I could look at it. Mm. And ask for that transformation. Kind of an edge case, but Cool. You could do that on your phone, but I like the idea of just asking your glasses. What does that say? Yeah, that's kind of nice. Yeah. It feels weirdly more convenient. Like, yeah, my phone's in my pocket, but like I open it, I have to like point, I, I don't know, there's just, there's a subtlety there that's like, it seems silly, but because they're, I'm already looking at it. I just say like, Hey, what am I looking at? And it just does it. Um Shawn: hmm. Gavin: There's, there's a value there. So yeah, overall I really like them. I'm likely going to return them only because of two reasons. One, the battery life, and two, I heard they're coming out with a new version, which is supposed to have battery, battery life, but also has a, um, a heads up display that only you can see. Uh, cool. Often I wanna like, see information, not just hear it. And, um, I think that'll be great. So I actually, that's more like those brilliant glasses with the heads up [01:02:00] display. Shawn (2): Yeah. The, uh, Gavin: yeah. So I'll, I'll likely return them, but. I think if there wasn't likely a new one coming out, I probably would keep these, but, um, I'm can hold off. Elysse: So if for ear listeners only, Sean's wearing the brilliant lab glasses. Gavin's wearing the Ray bands, the meta Ray bands. Mm-hmm. There's like a very dis like the, the vibe is different for both of them. Yeah. But they do the same thing, right? I think so. Roughly. So roughly. But the brilliant ones, do they have this like the um, mic, like they don't have the Shawn (2): audio, um, they don't play music to you. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn (2): Um, and uh, um, they do have built in AI and they do have the heads, heads display. Yeah. You can see the heads up display, like Yeah. Um, so maybe in the next version that'll get a little more um mm-hmm. Hidden or something like that. But I much prefer the look of the brilliant glasses. Yeah. I feel way more like Steve Jobs in these. Totally. Yeah. Totally. Elysse: Um, it's funny 'cause Gavin: I wouldn't wear those. I like the casual style of the Ray band, so it's [01:03:00] like, it's interesting that like, um, yeah. You know, different vibes for sure. Elysse: Do you know what the battery life is on the brilliant ones, Sean? Okay. Be curious to compare them. Yeah. Um, that's cool. I went only question about the metas is when you're listening to music and like if I were to walk by you, would I be able to hear it? Gavin: No, no. I tried it with Adrian, uh, yesterday when I brought them in and he was listening to tunes. Actually, we tried with Sean too. He tried 'em on and when he cranked the music, he was like, this is loud. Like, we could hear it, but only just, and when he turned it down and said it was still loud to him, um, him and I couldn't hear it. Elysse: Weird. How does that work? I don't even know. Think it's just like, Gavin: it's not like the vibration bone ones. I think it's just like a tiny little speaker or two of them, like kind of behind your ear and above your ear. And because it's so projected and maybe 'cause it's up against your skin, it just reverberates or something because like Yeah. What I'm listening to right now is quite loud. Elysse: Hmm. Yeah. So wearables, I mean, hold on. Wearables that aren't a pin or a stupid AI [01:04:00] watch. Yeah. Like glasses. We, we are pro. Gavin: I'm so pro. Yeah. Like if these were 20% better, they would be like the best thing ever. Elysse: Cool. Shawn (2): Yeah. Especially if you already need glasses. Like if you could throw a prescription lens in those and then now your glasses are just much more useful than they were before. I think that's dope. Gavin: Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean re re like these were 450 bucks. Like that's how much my not smart glasses were. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because they were like a fancy brand name thing and I saw it on bad whatever. Well Shawn (2): you didn't Gavin: get the Shawn (2): prescription lenses either, Gavin: so. Yeah. Yeah. I had like, these are just plain lenses. I didn't wanna do the prescription until I was sure that, uh, I liked them. 'cause I don't want to pay to have it put in there. Yeah. But still like 450 bucks for smart frames that are like pretty nice and they're actual raybans. It's um, you know, damn. Yeah. You know, give it, give it five years, these will be 200 bucks and they'll be insanely cool. Elysse: Totally. Yeah. That's sweet. Good reviews. Those are two good reviews this week. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [01:05:00] Elysse: Well we're gonna buy so that we have more reviews next week. Gavin: Oh, scoot stuff. Scooter. The scooter. The scooter. Elysse: Let's buy Scooter. Gavin: Sean and I are gonna do a real time live stream of us riding the scooters. Elysse: Yeah, well, we'll think of something else to buy and then we'll review something later. Um, that's it. Good pod guys. Thanks for hanging out. Gavin: See You'all. See you. Okay. Talk to you there. Elysse: Bye. Bye.