February 27, 2024
This week we went off script a little bit and added some bonus links to the roster. We chat about the 3D renderings of Drakes home, framer components with some real ASMR sounds, a tangent on data privacy, and the BEST way for you to do your taxes this year (with the best 2024 tax software). We also chat hosting, platform as a service (PaaS), and Ai cosmetology.
Elysse: [00:00:00] Prey drive would be so strong that the cat wouldn't last long in the house. Chew Caitlin: toy. So no, Gavin: I don't know. She witnessed a chew toy incident yesterday. Are we recording? I probably shouldn't talk about that on the podcast. I can cut it. Okay. My, my daughter was, uh, I coached soccer for her and we were at, um, the soccer field and the parents often watch their dogs around the field and I was watching them play. And off in the distance, I saw this dude with this like big black dog and. Around there is like all the, you know, feral bunnies, like the, the European rabbits that everybody just kind of put in the grass. And I saw this big black dog run up and grab one in its mouth and just like, take off the bunny goes limp. I was like, uh, okay. Oh yeah. Well, they're all playing soccer. They didn't even notice. He was kind of like on the edge of the field, like way over there by the trees. But I was like, Oh dang, like that dog fully took that rabbit out. Elysse: That's a bummer. I was at UVic. This is a bit of a tangent on bunnies. I was at UVic for my first. Uh, second year when they had the, like, infestation of rabbits. Oh, yeah. [00:01:00] Where they were just, like, everywhere on campus. And I remember we would just get drunk and chase bunnies. Cause it, like, what else do you do, right? Like, it's like a pretty fun activity. Like, you get an exercise. And, like, we could never catch them. They're so fast. Uh, Caitlin: I actually have a story about UVic really quick, is when I first moved to Victoria, I didn't know how it works. It's such a weird driving system. So there's a giant road circle that goes all the way around and it's a one way. Um, but we were going to pick something up from the marketplace late at night. So we were driving and this is before the semester started and we put the Google maps on and this is such a classic, um, office moment where you just follow the GPS blindly. I don't know if you guys have seen that episode with Dwight and No, michael, maybe no, okay, uh technology versus humans But yeah, we followed the google maps blindly and what we didn't realize is that we were on the bike option So we were quite literally driving Bike paths at night with my car and i'm like this doesn't [00:02:00] feel right i'm doing like a 12 point turn just trying to get to this like path and we only realized because it brought us to a forest at one point with this narrow path and I was like I think we had the bike option. This Gavin: is so good. That's pretty good. I love that. Oh, so good. The bikers that you're driving off the road weren't a hint. Oh, there's Caitlin: no one though. Thank God it was empty, but it was like, oh my gosh. And like driving through like park benches and like pavement and like sitting areas, it felt so, yeah. Wow. But the GPS said so. So just following it blindly. Um, so funny. Yeah. Elysse: Hmm. Well, here we are, back again. We made it. We made it. One more week. Welcome to the Internet Plumber Podcast, everybody, where we hang it on the internet as a service. You can catch us anywhere you listen to your podcasts. And if you like to watch them like I do, you can watch them on YouTube. Uh, we're joined by Caitlin again this week. We're going to do a do over because I think her audio was a bit weird last week. [00:03:00] So we're, uh, doing a round two. We got her back. She's back. Caitlin: And I have wired headphones, so going back to the OG. Elysse: Way of the two thousands. Gavin: So those headphones actually sound really good. Like yeah, technically I'm tethered Caitlin: joking that I should just buy or find a free mic that doesn't work and just put it in the bottom right corner of my screen, just so it looks like I'm a little bit on par with you guys. The illusion, the illusion, like a black mug. Gavin: I don't know. Yeah. Put a sock on the end of a stick or something. My dog's Caitlin: tail. Elysse: That's all this is anyways. Oh, that's funny. Aren't these called something that is animal related? Gavin: The little like, well, the fuzzy ones, like the dead cat tail or something like that, or dead cat, I think something like that. Elysse: Yeah. That's super dark. Um, Sean, I, I don't know if. You're down to tell more of your harrowing tale last week, but I feel like maybe an update is [00:04:00] overdue for some of our listeners who might be concerned about your house security. Oh, I Shawn: mean, there's really no update. Nothing has happened except that we're more paranoid than we were before. So now, like, I'll come home during the day and the door is locked even though My wife and kid are home, you know, yeah, and I'm like, oh, okay. Well, this is what we do now And I have to like bring the keys when I go to the garage to get a tool because like the garage is locked So, um, and then occasionally I'll get the weird tingly's, you know When you go outside to take the trash out and it's like dark. I live in the country. So it's like really dark Occasionally, I'll be like spooky, you know, I wasn't really spooked out about it before. I'm okay. It's fine. It's Uh, I assume this is like an annual let's go rummage through the country neighborhood, uh, thing, you know? And, uh, that I won't have to worry about it again for a year. And anyways, I, [00:05:00] uh, charged the batteries for my cameras and I bought the cables to tether them so they won't run out of battery. That's good. So at least I've got, like, motion lights and cameras, uh, now. So next time Wow. Get a view of whoever decides to try it. Caitlin: Gavin goes to visit Tron, pulling up floodlights everywhere. Alarms going off. Elysse: I just Shawn: wanted to sit in your hot tub, I'm sorry. Gavin: Put the rake down, it's just me. Intruder Shawn: alert. Intruder alert. But, um, unhappier news, and I am going to plug my Airbnb here on the podcast. My carriage house is almost done. Like, I was in there yesterday. I put up a little bookshelf and we put some magazines on it and It looks so tight. We sat on the couch for a Gavin: minute. Once you have the ad listing up, we should, we should do it on the podcast for people to visually see. It honestly looks like I don't know, how would you describe it? It's like, I don't want to say hipster because I feel like that's an overused and wrong word, but it's like, it's so well [00:06:00] designed, I guess. Like it has a vibe. Elysse: I went to this Airbnb in, uh, in Yuki a while ago and it was called Saltwood. And it was like a vibe. It was like, I think I've shared that one a few times. Like it looks like, it looks like none of us should be able to afford it. It is correct. It's very expensive, but it's beautiful. Um, I would put a top tier with a Saltwood. It really would. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. It's that place is really next level. It's interesting. When, when you do a project, when I do a project, um, there's all these compromises you make throughout. It's like, oh, I can't afford that finish or, um, oh, there's a wall here and it's load bearing and I can't remove it. So how am I going to work around it? You know? It is a small problem. Details. Yeah. There's things like that that happen. So then you make these like choices and compromises and then the end product is not like, oh, As you initially imagined, if that makes sense. My end product is always a little better than I imagined. Or like Oh, it's better. No, sorry, the opposite. Oh, it's worse. I imagine it better, [00:07:00] and then I achieve a little less, you know? Ah. And so, like, there is the satisfaction of doing and executing a project and finishing something. But, like, at some point I want to do a build that is from scratch with an architect. And I, like, can just do all the things I want. Because, like, I've done three Renos now, and I've never Achieve the vision, if that makes sense. So anyways, comparing it to Saltwood, I feel like there's like a certain level of design execution that I haven't been able to pull off yet. I think my Airbnb is nice and like, it's, you know, um, but, uh, it doesn't have vaulted ceilings. That's, that's the whole problem. Elysse: Um, you should do a, you should do a project with Seb as your construction project manager. That'd be amazing, yeah. He can source you, like, some, some great stuff. And he's got architects on the phone to, he's Shawn: like a great construction asset. Yeah, got him on speed dial. I was actually walking by a storefront the other day and I was like, you know what, I want to use commercial [00:08:00] glass. In a residential home. They do it in condos sometimes. But like, storefronts are always floor to ceiling glass, you know? Yeah. I was like, why don't I just do that in my living room? Elysse: He's got a glass guy. Like, he's got a guy for everything. Perfect. Or a girl. You know, it's like, I think Aritzia has a Shout out to Aritzia. They have a And we can't source this for us personally, but I don't know if I can tell this story on Maybe he's, I'm not gonna Shawn: Are you under NDA? I'm not, Elysse: but Caitlin: anyways, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell this Elysse: and maybe cut it. Apparently they have a, uh, Irish quarry where they get like a lot of their, um, like countertops and stuff and they just own a quarry. Gavin: Wow. For Elysse: like quarts and like, just kind of like, can you imagine like input owning a quarry? Shawn: Just doing enough building that you're like, I think we need our own quarry. Yeah. Elysse: Which is kind of crazy. I may or may not cut that. don't think you could say Caitlin: [00:09:00] that. I'll take it out. I highly doubt that. Elysse: They Gavin: want that to be public. I'm just gonna ask Shawn: Seb, be like, so I said this on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Well, at least you guys know. Like for those listening, it's Irish Rockworks Incorporated at 1 2 3 Dunham Street. Yeah. Elysse: All right, let's get into these links. Shawn: You're going to have a lot of editing this week. I actually didn't Gavin: get a chance to review a ton of the links. I was busy on the weekend with my dad visiting. Well, Shawn: that's the best. Whoa. Sorry. I, I opened the link and it blew my mind. Okay. So this is something from teenage engineering called the grip car. Oh, I love teenage engineering. Elysse: Before we jump into that, I do want to make sure that we talk about Lucy the Lobster, because I do think it's important. Because nobody knows who she is, or I don't know if, I'll just say they. Who they are. Who they are. Wait, wait. So, get Shawn: this. Are lobsters not people? Are they asexual? Gavin: Well, I just don't want to assume. Oh. Elysse: So. [00:10:00] Stop Gavin: trying to label them, Sean. Elysse: So, the, so I guess for Groundhog Day, every region in Canada, first of all, Groundhog Day is the most like, absurdly drunk thing that we do as current people, but every region has like a different groundhog with a name, and it, apparently they live forever, the ones that have names, even though I'm sure they die every 25 years and we get a new one. Um. But the, uh, East Coast, instead of a, specifically Nova Scotia, instead of a groundhog, they have a lobster that does their daylight savings. And her name is Laci. Caitlin: Can we see the photo please? Yeah, I want to see Laci. Hell yeah you can. Oh my god. She's here. She's got a Elysse: little hat. Gavin: sailor's hat. Caitlin: Uh, I To anyone who is not watching the video, it is a literal lobster with a yellow sailor's hat on. Isn't that great? And they put it in like a plaid blanket so it could sit on it, like those little baby photo Elysse: shoots. Yeah. She's from Barrington, Nova Scotia, [00:11:00] or they are from Barrington, Nova Scotia. I don't know how she sees her shadow because she's mostly flat, um, but I think it's really great and it's so Canadian. Shawn: More winter. That is so Caitlin: funny. I actually would love to talk really quickly about a king, uh, king crab really quick. My friend, um, I love this story. One of my old colleagues went to go buy a king crab from Granville, and they had it in a bag. Um, they're obsessed with, uh, seafood. Anyways, they're about to take the bus with the bag, and as the bus pulls up, they look down, and they realize that the crab had actually gone free, and was just standing on the sidewalk like this, looking up at it, like It's like Finding Nemo, like, this is my chance to run. So finally, he looks at the bus, he looks at the crab, he like didn't know what to do, so he just got on the bus, and just left the crab alone. And left Gavin: the crab alone. Caitlin: This giant king crab was like, free in Vancouver, just like, [00:12:00] Oh, that's Gavin: so funny. Man, King Crabber. How do you deal with that? You're like, am I going to pick this up and like, have a live King Crabber on the bus? Caitlin: He just panicked. Like literally just panicked. And I love the idea of like pulling the bus as the bus drives away. You just look back and the crab's just like, gotcha. That's Elysse: probably such an expensive mistake too. Oh yeah. King Crabbers are like so crazy. So expensive. Shawn: That's 100 percent the beginning to a Disney movie though. I mean, Caitlin: definitely going to find his family or, you know, refine himself with a new purpose, you know, new avenues. Elysse: Vancouver is too warm for him to go north. Shawn: Hopefully he was still close enough to Granville Island that the ocean wasn't a far walk away. Caitlin: I don't think, I think the water is quite close. So that's why I have this whole fantasy. He's like living in stream with his family still. So. Yeah, Elysse: they look like spiders. They're crazy. Can you imagine like being Caitlin: one on one just like fighting off a crab? Mm hmm. No, thank you. I would have gone on the bus too. So Gavin: I Need to Google the size of these I know what a [00:13:00] king crab is, but I need to see it at Shawn: like street level Oh here I can look it up. I just wanted to drop a little factoid at least The average lifespan of a groundhog is about 12 to 14 years Oh. Oh my God. Gavin: Well, these are all cooked ones. Can we see a live one? Yeah, like this. Oh, I guess that guy's holding one. Whoa. Whoa. Can Shawn: you imagine that? Gavin: That on the side of the road? I would not go near that. I'd be like, Nope. Fuck this. So Elysse: we had some of this when we went up to Alaska, and I will say it is 10 delicious. So good. One leg, like one claw leg was like 95 USD. It was insane. Wow. Oh, Caitlin: wow, he really and Elysse: we we were like Alaska. We're here. We why not? And then we looked at our like conversion rate at home. We were like, whoa, whoa Caitlin: Like 130 for a Elysse: leg. That's crazy expensive like like 0. 5 of a pound Shawn: of meat that reminds me of fairly recently The team met up in vancouver to go to that jason freed event that vancouver tech journal put on and I was like [00:14:00] Um, chatting in Slack. Hey, where should we go for dinner, team? Like, you guys want ramen? Or, and then at the last minute, I'm like, should we get a steak? Like, is there a steak place downtown? What's this black and blue? Let's meet there. So like, we meet at black and blue, and Gavin and I arrive like five minutes before everyone. The guy sits us, like, brings us the menus, and we look, and, uh, as we're walking in, we're like, This place feels kind of fancy, like, I didn't mean to pick a fancy spot. Um, anyway, so, he brings us the menus, and Gavin's like, Oh, okay, no, I mean, it's like, it's comparable, what, like 60 bucks for a steak? I'm like, oh my god, dude, that's per ounce. Oh! Yeah! I was Gavin: like, you know, fancy steakhouse, 60 bucks. That's about right for Vancouver. And Shel's like, no, that's per ounce. And we were both like, Oh God. Shawn: And like, we had this moment where like, do we just get up and leave? Like, is that the responsible thing to do here? Or do we just like, ball hard with the team? And there was a few team members that we hadn't met yet [00:15:00] either. So I'm like, is this the like precedent I'm establishing? Like, this is how input rolls, you know, just a casual weekday dinner at like. 60 an ounce steakhouse. So what we did just to take the edge off and be cheap is, um, uh, we asked for them to like, get a few ounces of each steak and like cut them up into little finger foods on a wooden board in the middle of the table. So they brought out like an assortment of little finger foods. And then we just went hard on Ampies, like mashed potatoes and shit. That's kind of smart though. We did Gavin: get the full size tomahawk though, which was unreal. And that alone was like probably 500 bucks. Did they salt bay it? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They did? They had Shawn: the coarse salt on it, yeah. That's cool. Yeah, it was really good. And actually, it was kind of special because, um, there was one member of the team who was, um, had never eaten beef, um, due, like, due to growing up overseas or something like that. And I'm just trying to not out this person, but anyways, [00:16:00] um, and, uh, this was their first experience eating beef. And I was very clear. I was like, You don't have to eat it like they have vegetarian options other stuff, but they were into get king crab Elysse: Well, you want to pivot into some other expensive stuff because we've got a teenage engineering link here that I want an overpriced Gavin: toy car So, Shawn: um, is it is that what it is? Just a toy car? Yeah From teenage engineering everything these people do is so cool Elysse: I don't know what's so special about it, though. Yeah. Gavin: I think it's just the engineering behind it. Like they're just like making interesting things that other people don't make. It's sort of like their desk design too. That like they have a desk that's like 1500 bucks or something. And it's literally like four Shawn: legs in a top. This thing doesn't drive itself. You have to push Gavin: it. Yeah. It's literally a toy. Oh. It's, but like look at the wheel based system. Like Shawn: it's really cool. 250. It's not Caitlin: bad. If it had a remote control, I could be like, okay, I'm [00:17:00] kind of on the same page. Shawn: I thought it drove. I was like, wow, that's really cool. Oh man, go to the product Gavin: page, check out their Shawn: desk. This is a paperweight. That's expensive. Yeah. Caitlin: So what is teenage, uh, engineering? It's the first time I'm seeing this. Oh my Gavin: God. Caitlin. It's probably my favorite, like, um, thing. Tech at what is it tech music company? Like I bought I've bought that basically all of their Shawn: toys except for the grip car You should Gavin: get these Elysse: two Wow Gavin: wire is actually really cool you can hook it up to your op1 and have it play like oh Like they're speakers Yeah. Yeah. But like they play in unison. It sounds Shawn: so rad. Did I bought you one of those little micro boards once for Christmas? Yeah. Yeah. Gavin: The um, uh, the pocket operators. That, that, there you go. Those are cool. Those pocket Shawn: operators are so fun. Since, yeah. I still have that. This Caitlin: really warms my heart to see so much thought and creativity going into digital products. 'cause everything's so cheap nowadays. Even like Apple, like seeing these products is so refreshing. Mm-Hmm. . I [00:18:00] have never seen this fricking. Little pieces of wood, like little choir people singing to you. Shawn: That's awesome. Yeah. Swedish? Everything they make is so cool. And they have a Lambo, a Lamborghini Countach in their office. Like an 80 something Lambo. I had a poster of that exact Lamborghini on my wall as a boy. Elysse: Um, are they Gavin: Swedish? Uh, is it Swedish Shawn: or Danish or something? I thought that's Danish or Nordic. Oh, I thought it Gavin: was Swedish. I was gonna say, I think it's Swedish. Caitlin: Nordic countries. The design is always so good. I don't know what they're drinking, but yeah, Elysse: I want some. When we went to Iceland, I felt the same. I was like, wow, I think I have to dress in all black forever now. Oh yeah. It's like, everyone just looks so cool. Gavin: That's why I always wear Caitlin: black. Oh, this brand. Yeah. What is this? Shawn: Graza. So let's make sure we intro the link when we click on it. Graza. co. Sorry. I don't mean to. Gavin: Oh, it's like special olive oil. It's Elysse: special olive oil in a squeeze [00:19:00] bottle. So apparently this is, oh, everybody in the States is going like buck wild about this olive oil. Cause I don't know. I think it only just started shipping to Canada, but the allure is that it's in a squeeze bottle, which like, yeah, it makes sense. Right? Like that seems more efficient. Um, they're not cheap, they're expensive, but the design on, I mean the design on the site in general is beautiful, like very Shawn: well done. Now do you think it's like a high quality olive oil? Is it, or is it just like good packaging? I want to say Elysse: packaging. Caitlin: Really? Because I was going to say, some of their call outs are specifically that a lot of olive oil in the US is really low grade. Um, and that's probably one of their mission statements, so. Elysse: But do you know why it's low grade? I watched this, this fun documentary about this on YouTube recently. Uh, Johnny Harris, shout out to Johnny Harris. He makes really good, uh, like, journalistic videos. Apparently that's the case because of the mafia in Italy. Come on. Yeah, like, I, I would have to go back [00:20:00] to the, the video to get all the deets on it. But apparently, like, olive oil, like, authentic 100 percent olive oil is really hard to come by. It's all like a mafia thing. They're cutting your olive oil. Yeah, with different ingredients so that they can get more from it but it's not authentic olive oil. Caitlin: You know what's funny? It sounds like almost every country has some like prized exports of olive oil, maple syrup, all of that. That's actually the case in Quebec too for maple syrup. Maple syrup. It's very similar. It's very much like a whole systematic issue where People steal, or they water it down, or it's run by the mafia basically, but Shawn: who would have thought? Is it one of you or someone on the team that told me the story about the guy with the barrel of maple syrup? Or was that one of my French friends? Caitlin: Like the barrels that were stolen? There was about like three million dollars of maple Gavin: syrup. Okay, no, so, um, [00:21:00] Shawn: my friends went on a road trip, and they said they met a guy from Quebec whose parents owned a maple syrup. farm, and he happened to be moving to BC to go to college, and he brought a literal wooden barrel of maple syrup with him, because he wasn't sure when he would have it again. Wow. He just like brought this. So he's sitting in the back of like a Toyota Tercel with a barrel of maple syrup, you know? And they're like, oh, that's how they roll in Quebec. Like my, my friends are respectively from France and Germany, this couple that I was talking to. I'm pretty sure this is, uh, this is them. Tilman and Elodie, shout out. Uh, I think they told me this story or somebody at their party. Anyway. That's Elysse: crazy. Caitlin: That's hilarious. I don't really hear though. Quebecers and maple syrup are Yeah, my aunt gets gifted maple syrup a lot. And if it's not from Quebec, she'll quite literally throw it out Elysse: Hmm. Caitlin: Yeah, it's quite a thing. But [00:22:00] a barrel of maple syrup probably if he sold it it would be like 20, 000 or something crazy. It's so expensive. I don't know if that's the exact cost but definitely very It's quite a bit of profit Elysse: from that, but what's a west coast? I already, I already, I redacted this question already because I think I answered it, but I was going to say what's what's a west coast export, but it's got to be lumber. I was going to Gavin: say Shawn: salmon. Yeah. Salmon for sure. That's Gavin: true. Yeah. I can see that. Shawn: I've had sushi in so many places and like nothing compares to Vancouver. I mean, I've never been to Tokyo. Okay. Or Anywhere further east than Moscow, but Elysse: aren't most of our like Isn't most of the seafood from like Atlantic like we have so much Atlantic Salmon. We have the option Shawn: Atlantic Salmon, which actually means farmed. I was going to say that means farmed Gavin: salmon, not actually Atlantic Shawn: salmon. Yeah, or uh, that was a great branding effort by whatever fisheries. Don't ever watch one of those [00:23:00] documentaries on where fish comes from. It'll make you not want to eat fish. Of course, that's the same with every food item. Have you noticed that? Totally. You can find a documentary that will make you not want to eat that specific animal. I mean, okay, I mean, it's probably, it's probably for the best. Maybe we should all be, Gavin: I don't know. I feel like you can, uh, I feel like you can watch the same documentary on plants and not want to eat those for how much shit they spray on them. What's the difference? Elysse: That's true. Don't they scream when you eat them now? Apparently Gavin: plants. Yeah, I knew it. This is why I don't eat plants. Yeah. Apparently Elysse: they scream when you eat them. I don't know. I don't know Gavin: if that's true. You're all Shawn: terrible people. How is your diet going, Gavin? Good. I just finished two weeks. Oh, okay. Are you, um, are you continuing? Are you going for the month? Are you Gavin: wrapping it up? It's funny talking, I'm bashing vegetables, but I actually love vegetables. I'm slowly starting to add veggies back now, um, more for interest. And I was joking with my wife about this because she's like, okay, so we're going back to like a regular omnivore diet now. I'm like, why? [00:24:00] I'm still enjoying like the carnivore heavy diet. So you know how vegetarians who will sometimes eat You know, meat or whatever they call them flexitarians. I've nicknamed this one flexivore. So I'm a flex Shawn: carnivore, so I'm carnivore heavy, but I'll Gavin: have like a little bit of vegetables, you know, so I'm a flexivore Shawn: at the moment. You're veggie curious? Veggie curious, veggie adjacent. Yeah, yeah. Alright, what is this? Reloom. I shared this. Oh, you shared Elysse: this Caitlin: too. Yeah, I have so much to say about this. So I did try it out and it's so Oh, cool. Right now, um, they just have, um, it's basically an AI, uh, platform, so you can generate sitemaps based off of a sentence prop or a description of a business. Oh, cool. And then from there, yeah. So depending on there, you can actually, it'll generate the sitemap, you can delete, move some items, and then it'll actually produce wireframes that are Uh, based off of a thousand components that they had designers create. So not AI [00:25:00] generated, but like human generated. Um, it's a great starting point. Um, but just my only curiosity about this. So this is like, obviously we're getting into more, um, AI plugins and softwares for web design. The only gripe I have with it is after a while, I thought, what if every single website is generated by AI? Like that's just the norm. At that point, AI is going to be pulling visuals from the internet that is AI. So it's like AI teaching AI about web design. And then where is the, um, uniqueness going to be pulled from? Um, are users just going to expect sites to look the same? Is this an opportunity for brands to actually stand out if they're built by designers and not AI? So that's just more thought I had recently about like, just this. Where does it end when data is being pulled from the same source consistently over [00:26:00] time? Um, how does it Shawn: affect the visuals? I think you can see this in design trends already and it's human generated. Yeah. Um, you know, we've all seen those things like all landing pages look the same now and it shows like the, the, um, I mean, even this in landing page is kind of similar to many other landing pages, but, um, And it's the ones that, like, it's because in the vast majority of cases, the business doesn't need to, um, represent itself that differently or specially. Um, so the, like, level of brand and story execution, the bar is not that high, I suppose. So companies that spend extra, spend extra time, spend extra effort. Um, really do stand out in a sea of same Z landing pages, you know, um, so I see that like if AI is referencing other AI. Like, probably some [00:27:00] humans are going to be injecting some serendipity in there. Like, these tools will get better at pulling from different sources, and maybe you'll even be able to, like, dial some widgets on, like, source. You know, like, oh, I want to take inspiration from architecture. I want to take inspiration from, uh, art history. I want to take inspiration from anime. Uh, I want to take inspiration from Danish culture. And then, like, it will output. So, depending how you tweak those dials. The AI will still be generating it. Gavin: I could also see it like learning, which converts better. So like, let's say this type of site is better for, you know, the, the tech crowd. But like, um, I'll use the teenage and engineering psych. So it was a little bit different is more for the crowd that would buy like music equipment. Right. So it starts designing sites based on its target audience. So you might have vastly different sites. Like a, a site for a developer might be like super minimal and like black and very. I don't know, matrix looking or something stupid like [00:28:00] that, but it converts well. Right. So I could see like trends in different genres, which we already see now, but one's like sort of narrowing in on like, Oh, people that target this, this is the vibe that they like, that they gravitate towards. Yeah. Caitlin: I thought that also came to mind is, um, right now we want to design sites as quick as possible, obviously with AI, it makes it even faster. Um. But we're doing all this to win over a user, so we're trying to get high conversion rates on these landing pages or websites. But I started wondering, will websites even be a big investment in the future? Because my I'm just thinking about like ChatGPT. What if we don't even want to make the decision to look at landing pages to, to feel, um, persuaded to buy a product? Maybe at some point we're just gonna ask ChatGPT or any AI system, um, what's the best, uh, pair of shoes for me to buy? I like this color, I like this style. Show me products. [00:29:00] Shawn: Totally. And it, it could go that way. Like, it's already kinda going that way. Um, you can say, like, Like, I, I think once humans can start to tweak the dials to our tastes, so I could say like, Hey, which shoes should I buy considering the opinion of, uh, Gavin, Adrian, and this celebrity, who I like their fashion sense. Um, then it would be like, Oh, well, Gavin likes to run and Adrian likes to play soccer and this celebrity, uh, You know takes inspiration from this artist in their wardrobe Um, so taking those factors into consideration like these new vessies might be a good option I just said vessies because that's what I like to wear lately, but Caitlin: It does cause some questions for like monopolies too like if um I guess kind of like a Google search engine right now. Obviously, if someone pays for a sponsored ad placement, that'll show up at the top of the list. But if in the future users are all being, [00:30:00] um, directed on what to purchase by one source, and if payments are included in that, so paying for like top sponsored posts and all of that, um, that definitely creates like a discrepancy in the ability for other companies to, you know, break through market. Um, but yeah, that's where my brain's been going lately. Shawn: Yeah. I mean, we can take that further and rather than buying products, the AI is inventing products. Um, so it's like, Oh, you need shoes? Well, here's how the whole manufacturing chain for running shoes goes and like, these are the parts and the different components and like, Oh yeah, here's your shoes made specifically for you. Uh, Click to order now, of course, I don't know how the manufacturing works in that. Maybe I just invented a startup. Yeah, I was gonna say that's a Gavin: cool idea. Elysse: I'm gonna take that out. We're gonna do Caitlin: that. Actually though, it's just, yeah, I just hope that [00:31:00] people do retain a sense of wanting to have autonomy and decision making because obviously with, um, with technology, we're moving to make our lives easier, which is reducing the amount of decision and thinking that we have to make. But I'm worried that we go so much to the point where we don't even have the ability or tools to make, uh, decisions or have critical thinking. Because even with streaming, it's so easy to just, you know, watch stuff, not even think about it. Um, obviously this is like a very personal opinion of mine, like, because I do like to think critically. I do like to talk and discuss options and some people really just prefer to not have to think and just be told what to do. Shawn: This is interesting. And like, I don't have a lot of research to back up these thoughts. These are, these are fragments that I've collected. But, um, like, have you had that experience where you have to make a phone call to like a telephone company or a bank, and it's just such an uphill battle? You're like, Oh, my way, am I [00:32:00] going to call this company? Or you have to like, Physically go to the post office to mail something like that just seems like an insurmountable feat these days And I've heard that it's getting even more difficult with younger generations. So that's one little factoid floating in my brain And then the other is this idea that we're getting worse at consuming Long form content like reading whole books on paper or yeah on Kindle Like we're just we're absorbing short little tick tocky tweets I'm so guilty of that. I can't finish a book for the life of me. Um, and so our attention spans are being diminished. I'm saying all these things as though they're fact and I'm not quoting any scientists, but like look it up. I'm sure there's science to back this up. I sound like Never mind. Um, Caitlin: I feel like there's like counter periods too because if you think of like the enlightenment period it's like, um, oftentimes people do want the opposite of what their day to day is, and right now we want the opposite of Um, [00:33:00] exactly like long decision making, long lineups. We want the opposite of that right now. Yeah. So I do feel like eventually people are going to start going more towards wanting that, um, human touch or connection and actually thinking critically, because if you look throughout history, there are these ebbs and flows of, um, automation versus thoughtful thinking and handmade products, right? Like it's always kind of wishy washy. So, Shawn: um. I think we saw. Um, a backlash with the whole hipster movement, like there's a lot of DIY, a lot of handmade, a lot of Everybody bought a record player. I'm guilty of it as well. Oh my god. Yeah Like we're like, oh wait, there's something to the slow way, the old way, the the human way Um, so maybe, maybe if we look at this through an optimistic view of humanity lens, um, as the world gets more and more rapid, [00:34:00] less attention, um, we, uh, will hang on to a sliver of that Thing that makes us human, hopefully. Elysse: Yeah, I think Caitlin: so. Especially with, um, it's just like all this unfortunate timing with like the rise of like social media and how it's all meant to have a user taking as much information as quick as possible for as long as possible, um, automating all these tools, even like Tesla, all these micro things pulling in more to like the cyber future of quick and easy, um, all at once. But I notice a lot of people are saying they're frustrated with the saturation of content they see every day. They put like time limit apps on their phones. Um, they try and reduce the amount of shows that they watch. I think eventually, um It's just gonna flip. It's like we're in this like super saturated moment of just like, content, content, content. Like, shoot out as much content as possible. Um, that, I think that's definitely gonna happen. Because even I myself, I'm starting [00:35:00] to question, like, why do I watch so much Netflix? This is so unnecessary. Like, what am I adding to my life? I'm gonna sit in front of a screen for the rest of my life and just, Shawn: you know? You know what's helped with that? It's like having a kid. Caitlin: Disclaimer, I have a kid. Gavin: Well, Shawn: I mean, I used to like, The biggest thing I learned was just how much time I spent doing absolutely nothing before I had a kid because now I don't have any of that time. Um, but I'm doing absolutely nothing with her. Like, we played with kinetic sand for like two hours last night. Have you ever played with kinetic sand? Do you guys know what that is? What is it? It's like Let's pull it up. Um, can you Google kinetic sand? I don't know. It looks like sand and But you squeeze it and it's almost play doh like consistency, but then if you pick it up it like Tiny little you can solidify it by squishing it. Okay, but then as you let it go it slowly like blobs out [00:36:00] like it's Anyway, like Riley was into it, I was into it. I've Caitlin: seen some videos on TikTok of satisfying videos, including this end, and I will watch it for a full 30 seconds. Shawn: So, the um, anyway, what I was trying to say was that you end up spending like hours doing other things that are not productive, but Feel productive because you're doing them with your child. Mm. Um, and then, like, now I'm, like, super lucky if I get a Netflix show in. Uh, it'll be, like, the rare weekday or weeknight where I'm, like, Oh, I'm gonna watch TV for an hour, and then even as I do it, I'm feeling guilty. It's, like, I could be sleeping. I could be, like, doing the dishes, you know? You could Elysse: be playing with kinetic sand while Riley's sleeping. Caitlin: I think we have too much time on our hands now that things are being automated too quickly, Ben. That's what it sounds Shawn: like. Yeah, maybe. Actually, there was a stat. I want to look up that stat. Um, boy, I don't know how to look this up. Okay, essentially, like, In [00:37:00] the 19, like, 20s, how much time did each person work per week to maintain their lifestyle? Like, how much, how much was subsistence work? Um, and it's actually been reduced a ton. Um, but then you compare that with how much time people watch TV or listen to the radio. And, like, that's ballooned. So we've literally, like, taken our, like, This is the amount of time we need to support our life. And we've squished it down. We only need to work this much time to support our life, but the rest of the time we're watching TV. Elysse: Interesting. Interesting. Well, you guys want to talk about Tremor? Caitlin: Yeah, let's talk about Shawn: Tremor. Yeah, let's do it. Tremor dot SL. Gavin: The React library to build dashboards faster. Great. That's what we need. It's more shitty React stuff. Shawn: I don't know who shared this. Oh boy, I thought you were going to say we need more great dashboards, and I was right there Elysse: with you. There's one link a week that Gavin gets to hate, and this is it. This is Caitlin: it. The Shawn: target. Do we get to set a [00:38:00] limit on it as one, only one? Gavin can only hate one link. I'm allowed to Gavin: hate whenever I want. Don't filter me. I hate that Caitlin: idea. I hate it. Yeah, I don't know who Elysse: shared this. Gavin: Seems neat. Seriously, though, like, don't we have enough of these? Like, what does this do that doesn't, like, the other 20 don't already do? Charts Shawn: are hard, man. It's like Yeah, Gavin: I know. Oh, I totally, I agree. But like, seriously, I could go find another one, five of these easily. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So, Shawn: like, why? But this one just looks nice. I think I showed this to the guys. I'm sort of feeling defensive. It's funny. Caitlin: I do like these. Quick animations. Poor guys at Tremor, too, putting so much work into this. You're like Gavin: Yeah. Whatever. They probably copied the source Shawn: code of the other one and of paint on it. HTMX library. How do you feel about it? Gavin: If, if there was another 20, I'd be like, this is stupid. Can we do something more helpful? Caitlin: Shots are Elysse: fired today. Okay. All Shawn: right. Oh Elysse: yeah. Um, I don't know what this is and I'll, before I, [00:39:00] before I say what it is, I did want to make it there and those reference, but then I thought. I don't think I can do that in this day and age because it could be defamation. It's Gavin: five. Yeah. Shawn: I have a lot of products. Yeah. Gavin: I have the withing scale, the smart scale usually just tells me to get off. So Elysse: this does like a ton of stuff. Caitlin: It does. Gavin: Whoa, you scan your brain? What is Elysse: this? And like, So it does your temperature. Oh, that's what that is. I don't know if this is like heart or lung. I'm not sure. Heart rate, probably? Shawn: It's like an ECG, right? So body temperature, stethoscope, ECG, and blood oxygen. I wish it was a, um, glucose that that's all it's missing is a CGM. Elysse: Yeah. It's pretty neat. Like this is a cool, cool way to get some stats Caitlin: at home. So the product does have an app associated with it where you can track your, uh, metrics, right? Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. Like Shawn: your health [00:40:00] metrics. And I think it. Like obviously would integrate with Apple health. Gavin: They've won over because it's called BMO, which is like one of my favorite characters from adventure time. It's spelled BMO, the little, like the little square blue computer guy. I'm like, come on. Someone, someone in marketing was like, let's name it BMO. Caitlin: It feels Shawn: cool. It totally does. Elysse: This feels like a, a good at home thing. And. Uh, I, uh, yeah, I fully endorse it. Hot Caitlin: take though, I feel like this would be, um, great for people who don't either have time or money to see a doctor consistently, like specifically people in the States. Gavin: What is that? Okay, so that person is scanning the right side of their chest. So that's not heart, because your heart is on the left or more central. It looks like a lung. Listen to heart and lungs. Oh, Shawn: heart and lungs. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So I Elysse: wonder if this was like a post COVID thing, because having the blood [00:41:00] oxygen level sensor at home was like a huge thing when COVID was super new, because everyone was wanting to get that, to know their oxygen levels when they were sick. And like having an at home thermometer is great, if you don't have to put it under your tongue. Those ones are lame. Um, the stethoscope is interesting, and the, the ECG is also interesting, but, yeah. Gavin: But like, my, my watch does three of these four things. Shawn: Yeah, that's how I was gonna compare it to the Apple watch Gavin: the Apple watch is pretty good Yes, I feel like the Apple watch is pretty dang good Although the Shawn: the Apple watch has a disclaimer that says this is not a medical grade ECG. Like don't rely on this one Say that this one says medical grade ECG. Caitlin: Yeah Cool and they have little logos of security Shawn: whatever. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure this company withings makes medical Like grade hardware, don't they? Like isn't, don't they make hospital stuff? So what's the price Gavin: tag on that? I'm super curious.[00:42:00] Elysse: Let's go back. I don't think there is a price on it. I think it's like a register to get more info. Shawn: Oh. So this is a Theranos play. Like this thing doesn't exist. Cool. I actually, this is the second time I've thought about Theranos. In the last 24 hours, why did I think about Caitlin: this? I also thought about it Elysse: yesterday as well. Is that how you pronounce it? I thought it was Theranos. Theranos. Oh, I have Shawn: no Gavin: idea. Let's describe, what are you guys talking about for those who have no idea? Shawn: Theranos? Yeah. So Elizabeth Holmes, there's a great TV show about it on Netflix called The Dropout and she is a startup founder who wants to create a machine that does like a hundred blood tests on a single drop of blood and the VCs and Silicon Valley are taken with this vision and Walgreens is taken with this vision After a few years and [00:43:00] I think hundreds of millions of dollars or something, it just never works and she goes to jail. And Caitlin: she lied about it throughout the whole process. Shawn: Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, she's like being the hype machine, the CEO, the founder, like Um, I think she honestly believed she was going to get there though, so at some point. Yeah, I feel like there's that certain They teach you like like Steve Jobs famously had a reality distortion field They called it where he'd be like we need to make that smaller and then the engineers would be like that is not Molecularly possible to make that smaller and he'd be like make it happen. Oh my god and And then like people would be like, Oh, Steve just distorted reality because they figured out a way, you know? Elysse: Wasn't he that, like, the same, uh, I mean, similar when he, they first launched, like, they did the, their keynote to show the iPhone, they had that, like, golden loop where they had, like, six different phones, because it kept crashing, and so he would show one phone, and then he'd be like, and it does email, [00:44:00] and they would swap a phone out and be like, Email. Gavin: That's hilarious. Shawn: Or the Caitlin: Tesla Cybertruck when they threw, um, the rock or Shawn: something at the glass window. The ball bearing at the window and smashed Gavin: it. Bring in the next truck. Yeah. A little harder Shawn: to swap out a truck on stage. Gavin: Oh, I want this thing so bad. I'm obsessed with it. Music equipment. I Shawn: don't need studio. com, a Kooto studio, a Kooto with a K. Oh, this looks like a teenage engineering product. It does. Gavin: Yeah. Has that vibe. Yeah. It's super cool looking. I haven't read much about it. I'm guessing it just plays chords. Is this for people who don't make music is like. Well, people who want to make music, but don't have music theory, and I have been practicing, so I'm getting better at it, but when you start, you want to make like beautiful chord progressions, but it's really freaking hard if you don't know music theory, right? I love that someone is trying to solve that by making, [00:45:00] um, playing chords more tactile rather than, um, what would be the opposite of like mental, Shawn: um, Gavin: Theory. Theory. Shawn: Theory. So are the keys, I noticed they're in threes. Um. Is it three keys in a row? Yeah, is it like the 1, 3, 5, 7 then I guess? No, it's four keys in a row. So is it doing like triads and like, is that how it makes it easier to play chords? They've just arranged the keys in such a way that Gavin: There's three that are down and saying it's playing a C major so there must be like when you play it I bet you when you play them in groups and then there's the um, what is it called the distance between the different chords? I bet you the long like the further up for the way Yeah, the octave that you pay play away from like another dot you might you might play like a C major 7 or something So it sounds super jazzy versus them all like, you know inversions. That's what I was looking for. Caitlin: Okay Can you change the instrument that the chord is being played with? Oh, I'm sure Gavin: you can, [00:46:00] but I have no idea. I have no idea. Shawn: Crazy. That looks fun. How much Elysse: is this? Usually these things are, uh, let's see what the most Gavin: expensive thing is. Yeah, it's probably like a thousand bucks. Caitlin: Ooh, 27, 551 of. Oh, that's by Shawn: backers. That's not the price of the product. I was just going to say, whoa, whoa, whoa. That almost got the most expensive thing on the podcast award. Oh wow, so 100 bucks. Gavin: What? I'm totally buying this. How do I back this? Which site is this on? Indiegogo. I'll be Shawn: right back. How many times have you pulled out your credit card on the podcast? Like several times. I did once a couple weeks Gavin: ago. Elysse: Was it for the foot pillow? Did anybody Gavin: buy the foot pillow? I almost bought that for a friend of mine. No way, Caitlin: so they're still in production or prototyping. Sorry, um for the product right now Gavin: Oh, it's on Kickstarter too. Not just any go Shawn: go. Sweet. That's cool. So I have a meeting in 10 minutes Elysse: Okay, we'll run through these Neuralink we shared the Neuralink [00:47:00] clinical trial stuff, which is neat and spooky. Um, yeah Caitlin: Yeah. Implanted brain computer interface. Gavin: Yeah. So it's like one of Elon's projects, isn't it? And like officially implanted it in someone. I kind of scanned it. So I don't know if they like named the person, but it's cool that they're, um, the whole idea of helping people with like, um, I don't know the proper terms, like neural disabilities. Right. So like being able to understand them, then help them like control those things. Even if it's like, say your right arm stops working for whatever neural reason. Right. Like. Having this like compensate for that and, and adjust accordingly is like super fascinating. I love that. I do Elysse: think it would be similar to like a cochlear. Like, I think that's the idea, like a cochlear implant, but I'm not sure. I am not a doctor today. I may be tomorrow, but that's what I think. That is, Gavin: yeah, Shawn: what's interesting is layers go ahead. Gavin: Oh, I was just gonna say in the article they say, you know, putting [00:48:00] stuff in people's brains isn't actually anything new They're doing it in like the 1970s. I think it said or something like that or 80s, but What they're like, what's interesting is like you'll collect the data, which they've already done But they're like the exciting part is can we now? Send pulses that will communicate in a similar way and have your body react that so much hasn't been like they haven't gone deep into that side So the thing they're doing right now and like putting it in and collecting it is they're sort of like yeah We've done this forever, but like let's see where this goes after this. Can you can you affect the person? Yeah Shawn: Yeah, I think the science has actually come a lot further, um, uh, man, I, I always do this. I have ideas in my head and I don't know, like, who they came from or where they came from, but I'm pretty sure they're true. Elysse: Sean has a Neuralink. He's Shawn: the first patient. Yeah, yeah. And, uh, anyway, I think they've already figured out how to, like, do things with your body. with brain signals that are electrically generated like using those like hats that you put on [00:49:00] and Like they can read the brain signals and I think they've figured out how to like send brain signals back my brother in law is a neuroscientist and we had a conversation over Thanksgiving and like Um, any, I, I'm like pretty sure that I didn't just like have a, have a, I don't know, a fever dream about this. Anyway. Elysse: Um, isn't that how they treat certain patients with Parkinson's? Is that they do something similar where they stimulate the brain through like that kind of thing and then they can stop tremors? Oh, Gavin: wow. I, I don't know. Shawn: I've never heard of it. I did read something that they may have cured Parkinson's. What? Through some, yeah, my grandpa passed away from Parkinson's, so I paid special attention. Um, but yeah, I think that there is some experimental cure that is in the lines of what you're describing. That's exciting. Elysse: Um, it's a pretty cool, uh, next link. Um, work from Woolitz. It's a sweet little [00:50:00] Instagram reel, um, little tiny Gavin: home. I don't know what's happening here. There's like boxes floating around this guy's house. Caitlin: So I think this train? Let me just like refresh. Uh, so Elysse: it looks like it's a little tiny house that's on like a rail track. So you can like separate your home in two. So you can literally like disconnect your office from your home and like push it away. Send it into the woods. And then you're just like, you're in a whole different space while you're Gavin: working. Going to work now, honey. Bye. Why don't you just leave it in the woods, like, and walk back? I guess if it's raining, that sucks. But I mean, I feel like an umbrella would have been cheaper. This Caitlin: also feels like an avoidant attachment style solution to someone's issues with their partner. Gavin: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's true. Be like, honey, I'm gonna go to the office. I'm done. Yeah. The view Shawn: where it's like slowly traveling through the woods and you're working at the desk, though, is sort of appealing. It's like, I mean, really, I just think we need to, like, Bring back rail travel. They would do it like they're doing it in [00:51:00] Europe. Like, Canada were so sadly, I mean, I did take the Via Rail and it was pretty good. But Caitlin: the cost is so expensive. The cost is so expensive, yeah. There's always delays. It's Elysse: crazy. Yeah. Um, I mean, we talked about this last week, Apple Vision Pro review. A lot of people are, you know, opinionated Gavin: about it. I'm so tired Shawn: of hearing about it, I'm gonna be honest. My whole Twitter is just like, all about the Vision Pro. I want one so bad. Gavin: I tried to buy one, but they're not in Canada yet. Stupid. If someone in the States is listening Message us, and I will buy it if you ship it to me. Yeah, I'm not a Shawn: hater, I would buy it, but. I would Gavin: totally buy it. Casey's, Casey Neistat's video of it, with him in the donut restaurant, holding up the donut, waiting for it to, like, the butterfly to land on it, and people just like, standing around him going like, what the hell is he doing? I'm like, aw, I want that to be me so bad. I'm gonna be the dude walking around town with my headset on. Aw, Casey Neistat. It'll be so good. He's Elysse: so cool. What a cool dude. [00:52:00] I was saying yesterday when you posted that, or whoever did, Casey Neistat being able to post a three minute video that gets five million views like 15 years into his career. Yeah, classic Casey. Just like the coolest thing ever. Um, Audio Technica. This is my turntable. Not this one specifically. Come Shawn: full circle to turntables. Gavin: We came back. Yep. This is cool. I love how like little and portable it is. It's like the blend between like tech, but then old school. You know what I mean? Sorry. Elysse: This has gotta be an oxymoron, right? Because portable and vinyl do Caitlin: not, like, how do you, how do, Elysse: how? You're gonna put, Caitlin: huh? Like for the speakers, Shawn: maybe it's Bluetooth. Yeah, for the speakers. It like does the analog sound and then streams it to the speakers. That's the point. But are you gonna, Gavin: again, is it still analog? know. Caitlin: The whole point is to have an amplifier and proper speakers. Yeah, yeah. Elysse: It looks cool though. Like it does look Shawn: super nice. Is it still true that turntables are a higher quality audio than [00:53:00] most of the digital music we're listening to? Caitlin: I think that's a myth. I think that is 100 percent a myth and people like to say that so they can feel better about their 500 setup they have for their record players. Shawn: Interesting. I mean, but like, let's talk about bit rates and stuff. Like, I do think when you rip a CD, you're getting like, like the files are just much bigger. They're not compressed, right? Um, and like, I did do some ripping of CDs as a teenager. Um, But like a record player was always, even like back then it was understood that the records are not compressed in any way. The audio is, it is the audio or something like that. Probably Caitlin: like a 5 percent difference in, uh, subtleties with the sound, if I had Shawn: to guess. If you are listening to this and know about this stuff, let us know. Maybe you can come on the podcast and educate us on audio bit rates. I Elysse: was talking to somebody about this recently, um, because I think CDs are coming back, [00:54:00] and that's awesome and weird, um, but I was talking about, and I just thought this was like an interesting point, when I was younger and I'd go to like an HMV and I'd listen to like a whole CD when it was on the wall, and I would like listen to the entire track list, but artists would only release like three, Like hit songs from that CD and then the rest were kind of like surprise unless you put in some effort to go to HMV to listen to the entire CD But with streaming artists have to like they basically have to make like a full knockout album Because you're gonna have like probably no sing like maybe two singles that come out But when you release it on Spotify or whatever streaming like service Every song has to Caitlin: be a Elysse: hit. Every single track has to be a banger You can't just have like two songs that were kind of shit because you're not gonna get any kind of like streams on them Shawn: I do like to listen to albums straight through on Spotify like I like to be like, okay I'm gonna listen to this album from this artist, you know I don't always but I do [00:55:00] find that it allows you to sort of like experience the artist as Maybe the artist intended the album to come across. Yeah. Gavin: I love that little um, you hid the image, but that's okay We know what it looks like. I love that it had Like a little fabric strap to hold on to it. I like, are people going to walk down the street where it's like, just hanging, you know, like vertically by my side, like I used to carry my Walkman and like, I got my Bluetooth headphones. Can you imagine on the metro? It's just like spinning. Yeah. Yeah. Just people are like, what the hell are you carrying? I feel Shawn: like, won't the record skip? All the time. If you carry it around, like, I just don't see how this functions. Yeah, we Elysse: did that when we were younger with our stupid disc men too. You'd put it in your backpack and you'd walk around and like every track, it would just skip. Caitlin: A zero gravity box that it sits in. Oh, so you've got like a gyro. Yeah, exactly. And you could just throw it around. Won't skip a beat. Gavin: It's like the boom box that people used to carry, but that's like a vinyl. You know, Shawn: exactly. [00:56:00] Imagine a NASA. Teenage engineering collab to make like a new disc man. I would go for it. Yeah, that'd be cool. Caitlin: Or if they had them design the interior of, like, actual spaceships, so they would literally look like space odysseys. Gavin: Oh, be cool, Shawn: too. I want to be an astronaut. Elysse: That's a good point to end, I think. Don't quit your day job, Sean. I'll say that. Next week. I think it's Gavin: a Shawn: little late. I want to be an astronaut. Yeah, all right. Um, peace out, everyone. Thanks. Thanks, guys. That was great. Elysse: Thanks for the good chat. See y'all. Bye. Bye.