March 21, 2024
This week, Gavin gives us a review of his Playdate, we review Crappy sunglasses, have big discussions around OpenAI, Claude 3 and AGI, and Shawn pulls the trigger on a Work Louder keyboard.
Shawn: [00:00:00] Oh, we're rolling. Elysse: We're rolling. Shawn: Yeah. I went to the auto body and um, the guy said in his professional opinion, there's not that much damage to the van. Elysse: Oh, that's good. Shawn: The thing is a tank. I just can't, I told him what happened and he's like, these are built really strong. Um, like the other woman's whole front end of her car was gone. I'm like, my tank just has like dents to two panels. And he said that the, you know how the vans have that like plastic piece that runs along right by the wheel height. Um, he said, you just pop that off and then the lower panels come off below that and they can just replace those lower panels. They'll replace my ladder. I'll be good to go. Elysse: Nice. Shawn: Um, so yeah, that'll be sweet. Elysse: You have an ETA on that? Shawn: Oh no, I haven't even booked the appointment yet, but sometime soon. Elysse: That's good. Cool. That's sweet. Well, glad the van's still kicking. It's not a write off. It's a good thing. Shawn: I know. I was so scared. Elysse: Um, Gavin, [00:01:00] you got a new Key. Gavin: Oh, yeah, I did. My wife was making fun of me. She's, she listens to the podcast or just started. She's like, you, she's like, Sean's right. You really do buy shit every week. So I was like, oh God, I was like, this needs to become a business expense. But I got like the, where's my camera? Oh my God. Shawn: You didn't business expense Gavin: that? Nope. Oh, geez. Elysse: A little snorlax. Let's not compare credit cards. Gavin: Snorlax key. Shawn: Key. Gavin: Hard to tell in the light there, but it's really cute. It was from a place off of Etsy that I think you, Elise, had shared. And, um, the guy messaged me and he's like, Hey, thanks for your order. Just so you know, shipping to Canada is a little slow. I thought it was pretty fast, to be honest, but, um, yeah. Are they in the Philippines or something like that? But they hand make them. I mean, I guess also do you make them, I guess, again, maybe machining. I don't know how the hell you'd make it, but it's, um, apparently a group of I don't know the term he used. It was like sort of, um, retired [00:02:00] slash disabled people like that have, they can't work anymore because of some, something that has happened to them, whatever it might be. So they have like this small little like shop that they all run together and they are, you know, are capable of doing like, you know, hand eye coordination, building things like this. So I was like, man, that's even cooler than like, I bought it from this place. And it's great. Like the detail in it is, I mean, it's hard to see on the camera. Yeah. But it's really cool. My kids love it too. We'll share a Elysse: link. Shawn: Can you say, yeah, share the link and say where you got it. Gavin: Oh yeah, let me um, let me look up the shop here. It is on Etsy. The shop name is Break Wooden. Like B R E A K Wooden. W O O D E N. Uh, all one word. Yeah, so if you look them up on, um, if you look them up on Etsy, I mean, I could read out the URL, but like, it's a long ass URL, so you probably don't want me to do that. Shawn: This is a tangent, but when I was like learning about crypto stuff, do you remember two, three years ago, there was like this mania [00:03:00] around crypto stuff? I was listening to, um, Bankless podcast, like daily. And, uh, every day. episode they would drop the names of websites and I'd just be frantically trying to take notes and like Go and visit them like half of them were meme coins and some of them were exchanges And so like I just didn't know anything about them the crypto space. So anyway, that's how I feel about our podcast sometime. If you're like actually listening to it as a podcast in audio, you're like pulling out your phone, writing down URLs. Or maybe I'm like, um, flattering myself to think that people actually care about the links. I feel like, Gavin: actually I've had a few people that are like acquaintances and friends. There was one guy, Jim, that, uh, Shout out to Jim. I just met him on the trails the other day. He was mountain biking and I was running. He's like, Hey man, I was just listening to your podcast. And, uh, he was talking about some link. I forget what it was. It might've been the play date actually. And, uh, he was checking it out. So, I mean, people do listen and read it and that sort of stuff and [00:04:00] click the links, but an interesting idea might be to like on our next, um, on our next newsletter, after the podcast to have like, Mentioned links, so it's not necessarily links that we've talked about or that are in the actual Newsletter if that makes sense, but also links we talked about in the podcast So if they're like if you listen to last episode Just wait till the new newsletter comes out and we'll talk we'll like link the things that we did in the previous episode Oh, I mean, I think we do in the Shawn: comments, don't we? Elysse: Yeah, we do. I mean, but sometimes we pull in, like, as an example, the Snorlax key, like we'll pull in random things or like Google stuff and then we can talk about it for a bit. So it's not a bad idea. I can't Shawn: believe this thing's only 15 bucks. This would have taken so long for some, like a human to make. It Gavin: was on like a crazy sale. It was like, how much is it? Like 50 bucks? And the shipping was a little pricey too. I think to my house, it was probably 40 bucks. So I probably spent more on shipping than it took to make it. Elysse: Twelve Gavin: [00:05:00] thousand reviews, almost. Yeah, their stuff, like, they have some really cool, like, Fantasy RPG slash D& D stuff that I'm having a really hard time not buying as well. Elysse: It's great. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, look at it. That's so cute. Yeah, that's amazing. Especially for keys Gavin: that like if you're not like well versed in your keyboard and you have to look down at it, first of all, shame on you. Um, second of all, uh, there's lots of keys that you can replace that you just know where they are, like the backspace or the arrow keys. Like you don't need labels for that. So it's easy to swap out those keys. Elysse: This is such a like, like, check this out. Gavin: I know the space bars. I want a space bar. Whoa. It's just so much real estate. It looks crazy. Elysse: That's cool. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Is it more elevated above the rest of the keys or is it like aligned? Gavin: Uh, it's a little higher. Uh, actually, if I look at it that way, it's a lot higher. Can you, can I like, Oh yeah. Well, it's huge. Yeah, Elysse: it's huge. Gavin: I think [00:06:00] they have lower profile ones, but for the escape key, I don't mind. Um, cause it's off to the side. And I mean, when I'm developing, I use the escape key a lot. Cause I use them, but, um, I, I haven't noticed anything. I haven't been like hitting it in a weird way going like, Oh, weird. This button's driving me crazy. Like I didn't even notice. Elysse: This one's cool. Sweet. Whole new world. The stuff. Shawn: Yeah. Look at the capybara up, up a level there. Oh yeah. It's like, it's not even shaped like a key. That's pretty rad. Gavin: That would drive me insane, that key, like, just sticking out, be like, ow, every time, what is that, like, that G key? Elysse: It must be squishy. Yeah. There's no way it's not squishy. Cool. Shawn: Oh, it's not the G. Imagine replacing your entire keyboard with art like that, and like, could you still type? Probably. Like, if you just close your eyes and like, use your muscle memory, but it would be like, kind of hilarious. Gavin: It's funny though, because if someone were to be like, where's the H key or something, I couldn't immediately tell you, but if I were to [00:07:00] type it out, you know what I mean? If I were to, if I were just to start writing something, my, my fingers just move and I don't think that much about it. But if someone's like, Oh, quickly, like, is the A key on the left of the right? I'd be like, uh, left, you know what I mean? But if they're just like type A, I'd be like, my hand would just do it. It's weird. Our brains are weird. Elysse: It's like Sean in snowboarding last week. He hadn't been up in what, three years? And it was just like a muscle memory. I was Shawn: like really worried that you're just gonna outshred me all day. I was gonna be trying to keep up, but I think I got a second wind after the pastry on the lift. I was just like, yeah, I'm snowboarding! This is great! Elysse: Spoiler, I didn't. I took like a couple of bad falls and then I was just like, my brain was scrambled. I was like, that's it. It's too much. Shawn: You and Philippe ganged up on me a little bit at the end there. Like, you're like, guys, I think I'm getting pretty close to done. And then Philippe was like, I don't know if I have another run in me.[00:08:00] And I was like, Oh yeah, I could call it quits too. Sure. Elysse: And you guys ended up doing the longest run of the day. Shawn: Yeah. By, by the time we got to the, it was probably a wise move by the time we got to the bottom, um, Like, all the way back to the village. My legs were pretty rubbery. Elysse: Speaking of, um, links that we bring up randomly, I picked up a new snowboard this weekend. Oh, sick. Shawn: Look how cool it is. The Equalizer. Elysse: It's pretty sweet, huh? Shawn: That looks cool. It is. It's got some 80s vibes. Elysse: Super 80s vibes. Um, yeah, I'm really excited about it. I was looking for a full camber board. They don't really make a lot of those for women. So Gavin: that the bend at the end that says what pal, is that actually the term? Oh, okay. I D I mean, I don't know, like it says like camber, reverse camber and the what pal. I'm like, man, snowboarding terms are dope. Shawn: Wapow flat kick technology. Elysse: I don't know enough about camber either, but, um, I know I have a rocker, which is a banana board and it's shaped like it's a curve on it. So it's better [00:09:00] for powder days. It's not good for icy days. And then my, uh, split board is, uh, I think it's full camber. I'm not sure though, but yeah, I'm excited. It's gonna be fun. Sweet little. Gavin: Do you just order it? Like, or do you have it now? Elysse: I picked it up on, um, Whistler has really good sales this time of year. So I got it at like 40 percent off. Wow. Great. Thanks. Yeah. Gavin: Yeah. I guess it's sort of end of season. Elysse: Yeah. Pretty stoked on it. Just sitting on the kitchen table. Anyways, our first link, crappy eyewear. Gavin: I love that. It's actually called crappy. What a interesting choice. Elysse: Yeah Gavin: Like the the actual brand is called crappy eyewear be like, what are those? They're crappy. Elysse: They're crappy They're actually neat too in terms of the like style they're very 90s Gavin: 90s these look like 60s the bottom right is like straight up 60s bikinis Yeah, that's true. Elysse: But like this is these are so 90s right the funk punk. Yeah, Gavin: that's [00:10:00] true Those jazz safari ones remind me of um, Uh, the movie blow where it's, um, not Danny DeVito, um, who, uh, Johnny Depp. Thank you. Uh, Elysse: those are two very different people. Gavin: I know. I, for some reason, yeah, I've in my brain, they're not the same person. It was the name that I tripped over those, I want those shit that might be this week's purchase. Look at those things. Elysse: How much are they? They're only 89 bucks. It's not bad. Gavin: That's actually not bad for like how cool they are. They're sunnies, right? Or are they prescription? Elysse: I don't know. They are They have a tint, Gavin: but it's not so tinted that it's like Elysse: Description. They look like sunnies. Huh. Shawn: Oh, I'm totally missing this. I looked up the snowboard that I was riding last week. It was a friend of mine's that I borrowed. And like, I just got locked into all these, uh, camber It's a cool board. Um, Yeah, very different than the board you just looked at. Um, anyway, yeah, crappy sunglasses. These look badass. I need a, [00:11:00] um, I might have to start Gavin: doing cocaine if I wear those though. Business Shawn: expense. Never, never try new things. Um, I bought some rain sunglasses and I really liked them so much that when I lost my pair, I bought the exact same pair, which made me feel kind of silly. But Gavin: I did the same thing, but mine are like crappy Amazon sunglasses. Cause I lose or break mine constantly. So I'm just like, whatever. Elysse: What color are you getting Gavin are you gonna get the I kind of like the yellow. Yeah. Yeah. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah, those would suit you Yeah, yeah, you got that bald thing going on Elysse: 20 percent off. Gavin: Hey, nice. All right. Well standby for my new glasses in a week or two Elysse: Yeah, these are all neat neat, all right, well Gavin: let's keep clicking Elysse: Gavin, are you gonna buy this too? Oh, I want to, but Gavin: it's so expensive. Everything by Teenage [00:12:00] Engineering is so expensive. It's probably like a thousand bucks. So Elysse: this is Teenage Engineering again. My OP 1 was like Gavin: three grand. Elysse: What is this called? CM Shawn: 15? Yeah, it's their microphone. Shout out to Andrew Wilkinson who shared this on his email newsletter. And then I was like, hey, we need to put this in our email newsletter. Wow. Pretty Elysse: pricey. Shawn: Yeah. That's almost as much as like an Apple studio display. Oh, Elysse: so small. Shawn: It's beautiful. Elysse: Yeah. It's Gavin: crazy. And they usually are, you know, it looks like just a microphone, but they're really good at fitting in additional functionality and features that people just sort of see past until you start using it and you're like, Oh, like I didn't realize it did that. You know what I mean? Um, so it's really easy to bash. There's this, like, there's this, um. Or group I'm, I'm a part of, or actually, I don't know if I'm a part of it, but I go look at it all the time. It's called the synthesizer circle jerk on Reddit. And they basically constantly bash teenage engineering stuff for [00:13:00] people. But it's like, what's funny is like those same people be like, Oh, and I bought this thing that like does this, but I really wish it did this one thing. I'm like, you do realize that that that's the thing that, you know, the thing you're bashing does, but anyways, whatever. I find it funny. Shawn: I like the textile mini XLR. Like the cable that it comes with. It looks really cool. Yeah. It was neat. Yeah. Textile XLR cable. Look how cool it Gavin: is. Is it battery powered? Shawn: Yeah. It has a battery and, um, a Gavin: preamp. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. They're like moving towards their whole field line. Um, like I said, I have the new OP1, which is the OP1 field. So it's, they're, they're both battery powered, but then they're like creating more of these, like their KO2 is battery powered and so is that mixer. Um, Is that the TX 6? Shawn: Is that a mixer? Gavin: Yeah, the TX 6 is a mixer, and technically a, um, a synth as well. It can make like, um, oscillation noises. But, uh, yeah, like their whole field line is really cool in that it's all battery powered and very portable and [00:14:00] interconnectable. So you can just like take stuff anywhere and like jam and record and all this sort of thing. I'm really excited to see if they release their OPC, which is, um, a drum machine that they made is very small and portable. It's like the size of a remote control, but, um, it's getting a little dated now and everybody's hoping for like a new updated version that is aluminum. Um, and like there, that bottom left one, the OPC that it's basically a TV remote, but it's technically a drum machine. Cool. Yeah, I hope they release that. I would definitely try it. I used to have that. I actually sold it, um, but mostly just because I wasn't using it very much. Shawn: Did you see that modular pocket operator? Yeah, that thing's sweet. Super cool. Look at Gavin: that. Shawn: Yeah. Gavin: No, the yellow one. Shawn: I Gavin: think they have a bigger one that's red as well. They have like their 500 or whatever it is, or maybe this is it. And the red is the small one. I can't remember. So cool. Elysse: Everything's on sale right now. Gavin: Lease don't do this to me [00:15:00] It's for the pod man, it's for the podcast I do have their Those if you scroll up the pocket operators, those things are great Those I have the ko2 or the that little one the po 33 didn't I buy that for you for like Christmas or something? Wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's where I got. I was trying to remember where I got it Someone asked me and I was like, I think I got it. It's like a birthday gift or something Elysse: That's Gavin: cool, is this just a calculator I love it No, no, it's a drum machine. It's a full on sampler. Like you can jam on it. Yeah, they're great. Shawn: No, it doesn't do math, unfortunately. I should get it for Riley, my daughter. Elysse: It's only 29 Gavin: USD. Yeah. I don't know what this one is. The PO 33 is probably closer to like 80, I'd imagine. That one? Yeah. Let's see. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I don't know what the other one was. Maybe it was a calculator. I wasn't reading the text. Elysse: Yeah. This one's only 30. Gavin: Oh, that's the case. Ah. That goes around Shawn: the [00:16:00] pocket operator. Oh. Okay. That makes sense. Maybe we should move on. I think we've spent a lot of time on Teenage Engineer. My bad. I have a mild obsession. Oh, a lamp. A roly ball lamp. Put some lamps Elysse: in here. Shawn: LewisPoulsen. com Elysse: Kind of nice, eh? Shawn: They're actually really nice. These remind me of those Ikea glass orb lamps. Except these are probably much more expensive. And I wouldn't roll the Ikea one. Elysse: 400 bucks? Wow. Yeah, pretty pricey. Lamps are expensive. Shawn: Yeah. Lighting fixtures? Actually, this is, these are really nice. I have issues with online lighting fixture retailers. Do you actually like Elysse: the brass though? Shawn: Do you like that brass? Elysse: I do. Shawn: Or Gavin: gold, Shawn: whatever it'd be called. Yeah, I'm not a brass man. That black is dope. The flat, I'm glad it's not shiny. Wow. Elysse: That's crazy. Shawn: That's a 900 lamp. Elysse: Yeah, the mat's definitely nicer. Wow, they're large. Shawn: They're very beautiful. Mm hmm. Elysse: Huh. [00:17:00] Shawn: What's next? It's like, lighting is one of those things when you renovate a home. Um, all the fixtures, most of the local builders go to the local Home Depot or Rona. And they just, like, get, you know, the boob lights and the, you know, all the standard. The boob Elysse: lights, yeah. The Shawn: standard fixtures. They're in every home, every new build, every spec home. And um, so like, it's really easy to make your home feel different just by replacing the lighting fixtures. If you go find unique lighting fixtures, then suddenly there's like, different things to look at. Elysse: Yep. Shawn: Are they actually called boob lights? I mean, that's, well, they look kind of, let's pull up a picture of it. Well, I don't want to Google. Yeah. I'm excited for you to Google blue blade. It's like the standard home Depot lighting fixture. Oh, I Gavin: see. Yeah. Yeah. I gotcha. Like, yeah. A boob light. Great. I can't unsee that. I'm trying to remember if there's any in Shawn: my house. Credit to Google for getting that right. It could have Elysse: been a lot of different things. [00:18:00] I'm not going to scroll or go further than this, though. Yeah, I think we're done with that. Okay. Shawn: Um, computers for your face. What's this next link? Elysse: Um, this is, I think, a guy who, I just reviews, or someone, a person who reviews all of the different glasses and eye things that are coming out from different companies. Oh, neat o. So they're like Ray Ban, Facebook, whatever they're doing with that, or Meta. Oh, cool. Yeah, I think later on they review all these Shawn: different, uh, yeah. Cool. I Elysse: feel a lot weirder about the Thank you. This is a, I guess maybe unpopular opinion. I feel a lot weirder about the regular sunglass ones than the Uh vision pro Gavin: I think it's just because it's easier to be creepy, right? Like yeah, you're like always recording and you just never know Elysse: Yeah, it's crazy Like they're cool. But Gavin: yeah, they look like just kind of dope sunglasses. Shawn: Yeah I'd wear those. I kind of want [00:19:00] them. I mean I ordered the brilliant labs ones So I'm really curious. Those are more like AI glasses. They haven't arrived yet. Elysse: Those are the ones that we talked about last time, right? A couple of times ago. Yeah, that's cool. Shawn: We should have Bowback on the pod. Um, yeah, it'd be interesting. Elysse: Yeah. Sunny's. Oh, these ones. Yeah, here we go. Yeah. Right here. Shawn: So I ordered these. These would be fun. Do they have a camera in them? They must, they probably do. Elysse: I'm pretty sure they do. Yeah. Like right in the middle. Yeah. Sweet. Gavin: Nice. Elysse: Glasses. Gavin: Yeah, you gotta wear those on the pod next time when you get them. Yeah. Oh, let's chat about Clod. Elysse: Let's do it. Shawn: Let's do it. I haven't tried it. Gavin, have you tried it? I did Gavin: try it. Um, uh, one of the devs at our office here, um, figured out a workaround. Being in Canada, there isn't early access to Clod 3, but if you sign up for AWS Bedrock, um, and use their, uh, API for, uh, tooling, then they basically have a sandbox, which is a chat. And [00:20:00] if you just ask for access, you have to get approval, but it only took me like 30 minutes. And then, um, and then boom, you just set up your billing, and I have Cloud 3, and it's, it's actually been great. It's, um, I haven't, like, I haven't had enough time to really test it against, like, Chachi BT 4 or 4. 5, whatever it is, the turbo, they both seem similar, but I've heard that Claude is better at, um, robust code and I've been wanting to try that. Um, but yeah, it, it seems really, really good. I'm just excited to see there's like, uh, AI tooling in the space that is rivaling open AI, because up to this point they've clearly been the leader. Shawn: Yeah. Cool. Do you think there's a future in which we roll this API into Stilo? Gavin: Yeah. My hope is actually to have, um, multiple, um, LLMs that we use that [00:21:00] leverage their, Expertise. So, you know, if it's like making a book recommendation or quote, or like going deep on, you know, emotional intelligence or something like that, we, we pull from the right API that has like more knowledge around it or is known to be better at it. Shawn: Yeah. Gavin: Cause a lot of the stuff, like when you chat with Stilo, it isn't just what you're talking to about. Like it pulls up previous posts and tries to like gain knowledge and look back on stuff like a, sort of like a counselor would almost, but then behind the scenes. We're also post processing that context and trying to understand the person's habits and make book recommendations and quote recommendations and that sort of stuff. And that sort of happens like as a, like a, a secondary threaded process, um, not in line and open AI is okay at it. It's a little slow. I wish it was faster. So something like Claude might be a good alternative or even a local LLM. Cool. Yeah. Elysse: Sweet. Shawn: Is there a, um, cool. I don't know who it was. [00:22:00] Somebody tweeted something about like, we need to get past this current LLM phase of AI tech and like, get our computer knowledge rooted in fundamentals like physics and science and like, essentially we're relying on these like fancy auto completes. Yeah. Um, to answer our questions, and it's working. It's kind of magic that it's working. Um, at some point, will the computer have an understanding of the fundamentals? Like Well, that's AGI. Yeah, I guess, but I mean, it could I don't know, maybe there's some logic. I could see a world where it's just logic. Um Gavin: Well, the, the problem, the gap is reasoning, and that's, as soon as it understands, that's, that's AGI. And then, there's the, the gray area of like, well, is it sentient? Well, like, do things that understand things are sentient? Maybe if it's a computer? Like, obviously, in like, living [00:23:00] creatures, yes. But like, if a computer understands something, is it sentient? I don't know. I don't have the answer to that. Um, but that, that's the gap, is like, as soon as the computer understands, it understands. Concepts and can conceptualize itself outside of human knowledge. That is AGI. And we're not there yet. Nobody knows we're going to be there. Shawn: What is a concept though? Like, sorry, I don't didn't mean to get super full philosophical, but like say, um, Yeah, it's too deep but uh, so a if a concept is a word, you know a token Um, let's talk say a tree. Okay Um that token is linked to, um, it's a living creature. Okay. So that's another token that it relates to. Um, it, uh, feeds on water and sunlight, other tokens. It's made up of molecules. Molecules have rules and logic and, um, it's, [00:24:00] it's takes part in the physical realm, uh, which could be a token and, and the laws of physics as well. So like, um, if we're looking at like just the way things relate to each other, like almost if we layer in some logical um, awareness or some, some data associated with specific tokens, you could be like okay, well if this thing is a, is part of the physical world, um, then there's these properties associated with it, um, These are the laws of physics. We've encoded them into the AI somehow. I don't know. Like, just take it beyond. But fancy goal Elysse: though, eventually. Shawn: I think so. What is, Gavin: but like what you just, just described is everything it already knows. And then the part where you're like, and then just tell it is, is that's the gap. It's like, you still have to tell it what you want. Right. It can't dream it up on its own. It it'll just, there's [00:25:00] no concept of that. Shawn: Yeah, we don't need it to dream it up on its own. We can tell it, you know. Gavin: But that, that works now. Elysse: But for certain things, not for everything. Yeah, yeah. Gavin: Well, I mean, that's a good point. It would work for almost everything. In practice, it's working. Depending on how much you need to give it, right? Like, Elysse: but we couldn't be like, find a cure for a cancer and it, like, we're not at that point yet, but that's the AGI part, because you're asking it Gavin: to conceptualize versus if you give it a bunch of Cancer based research data and say, scrub this and give me the most likely, um, cure based on human knowledge, it would give you that. Right. But that's just regurgitating shit. We already know Elysse: that's just like algorithm. That's sort of big data, right? Like that's the Gavin: point of big data is like at scale, refine it down into, we find the gems, Shawn: man. It's super exciting. Just knowing how much information is on the internet and how. We can kind of just train these computer models. One [00:26:00] thing that does scare me a little bit is the censorship of it. It's like, okay, so we've taken all of human knowledge and we've stuck it into a machine that is searchable and you can interact with it like humans interact with language. But now we're saying like, oh, you can't talk about this or you shouldn't answer that way or like we're layering over religion and different things saying like What is, yeah, I don't know. It's sort of in my mind, it dilutes the purity of knowledge a little bit. You know, it's really Gavin: fun around that is if you use, um, if you're somewhat technical and downloading Olama, which is an open LLM tooling to, to install other models is there is an Olama uncensored where they've removed all of that. There is no filter as really fun. It's like, it'll go as gnarly as you ask it to. It's a, I highly recommend. Elysse: There's a interesting Ricky Gervais interview, and I don't normally hold [00:27:00] him as like gospel for any type of information, but I thought that this was like an interesting perspective. Um, he was on the Colbert show and he was having like a debate, uh, with him about like science and religion and the differentiating factors there. And for him, he's, uh, like higher believer in science based knowledge, because if everything goes extinct at the end of the day, that's the one thing that will maintain as constant. The same books will be rewritten in the same way. There's going to be no, like, I'm sure there's going to be, like, advances and whatever, but that will stay as it is in terms of, like, factual knowledge, and religion will be a, like, made up It'll grow legs. It'll adapt. Yeah, so there's no like there's just like concrete evidence versus like not concrete evidence and I thought that that was just really interesting interesting perspective Shawn: Yeah, I like that too. I [00:28:00] mean you hear um I don't even like to use these two words because it feels so tech bro, but like this concept of first principles or fundamentals It's like okay. We'll take a topic back to its first principles You Um, which tends to be anchored in the laws of physics, the stuff that we can observe about the physical world and build our science around. Um, and then we build up sort of like human knowledge on top of that. Elysse: How long until you guys think we find out we're in a simulation? Shawn: Would that be crazy? I don't buy into the simulation theory. Elysse: No, I do. I think when things are peaceful and everything's fine, someone got called to dinner. Gavin: That's awesome. I'd like, I mean, Oh man, that'll send me down a rabbit hole then, but like, does it, does it matter? Like, I dunno, I'm having fun. Life's weird. And like, if I am a simulation simulated, Gavin is enjoying the ride. So it's like, if I found out we were a simulation, I'd be like, okay, I guess that explains like the meaning of life. [00:29:00] 42. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, well, well done. Also go Shawn: Nintendo. Exactly. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Uh, I just added this one for the fun header animation. I thought it was cool. Nice. Oh, Shawn: right on topic. Applications that can reason. Powered by LangChain. What is LangChain? Yeah, LangChain. com Gavin: LangChain's basically a framework, so like, if, imagine, um, like, uh, implementing an LLM has two parts. You have like the tooling that will like talk to the LLM, and then the integration part, so like if you look at OpenAI, you have like OpenAI's API, and their servers and stuff, and updates, whatever, and then you have the LLM that it actually talks to and communicates. LangChain is the, uh, server framework implementation part, and you can choose which other, which LLMs you want to use. You know, like you could install like Open, uh, Olama and use like the Olama unfiltered with your lang chain framework and implement that. [00:30:00] Shawn: Cool. I just gotta say we're like So on this trend right now with these pill shaped top nabs, oh these yeah, our new site has it I've seen like I think metal labs new site has it Elysse: correct me Shawn: if I'm wrong I'm like man, how did we all decide to redesign our websites with pill shaped top navigations Elysse: chubby little signup buttons? They're so thick. I like them boys. Shawn: This is amazing. We don't normally share tarka. com Um This guy's a 3D Oh man, animator. I guess that's Gavin: so good. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. I love his portfolio. Gavin: It's like these mini little worlds or scenes that are actually quite detailed and all have like little bits of animation. Even stuff like the cherry blossoms coming off that tree is just, yeah, so neat. Elysse: And the water droplets at the, oh, at, oh, I can't even scroll. There at the bottom in the pond, there's like little water [00:31:00] ripples. Gavin: Oh, I was like, I see the ripple. I thought that it was even smaller droplets. I had to look closer at my screen. I'm like, am I blind? Elysse: Yeah. So really nice. Shawn: When I started my first digital agency back in like 2003, it was called push 72. And, uh, one of my first hires was this guy, Nicholas, um, who was a 3d animator from Sweden. And, um, it was like, definitely not like a role that, you know, was profitable. I didn't know how to run a business at all. We would get like two projects a year for him and the rest of the time he would just like make stuff for us. But um, when we would get a project it would be like Lululemon or like uh, Nike or like, it would just be amazing work, you know? Um, anyway, this reminds me of like, just having a 3D Animator around to like make up fun things for projects. We should do that again. Gavin: We should it's Elysse: probably it's so hard to do all of these [00:32:00] Shawn: Shout out to Nicholas. Gavin: I Wonder if AI will ever get decent at 3d stuff like right now. It's pretty good at like the the Image can look 3d, but it's not animated or it isn't actually true 3d. Like you can't rotate it and stuff, but I'm curious to see how detailed that will get in future. Yeah. Shawn: That'll be interesting. I wonder, I mean, I don't want to go do a deep dive on how these image generation, um, models work like Dolly and stuff, but like, is it building a 3d model in the background and then rendering it? Or is it just doing like pixels? Gavin: You know, I've never looked into it. I have no idea. Shawn: If you say like, describe me a cat in a cute Japanese style, sitting in a cafe, drinking a cappuccino, um, which is something I did for my daughter yesterday. I was going to say, that Gavin: was oddly specific off the top of your head. Yeah, it will make Shawn: the cutest little 3d cat in a cafe, [00:33:00] you know? Um, and like, it looks like it was rendered in 3d. Gavin: What I've started doing with my kids is on my iPad, I have the Apple pencil and we'll go on there. And they asked me to generate coloring books for them, but instead of it being like an actual physical coloring book, I go on mid journey. Describe what I want, but say like make it into a kid's coloring book and you get just like the black line art and they put it on there and they can just, just shade it in, you know, and they got the eraser and stuff. So it's like, you know, it doesn't matter if they make any mistakes or whatever, like they don't even really care anyway. That's so cool. But it's such a great use case. Then the next iteration of that, that I'd like to see, and I was like, I should try to build this, but I have no idea how I do it is some of the other apps that are coloring books. Um, Won't let you color outside the line. So if you're coloring, like, I don't know, an eye, as long as it's like a sealed. black line around it, you can, if you touch the pencil in it and just shade like crazy, it'll only color inside that, that part. Right. So it makes it really easy to do like beautiful [00:34:00] colors that, that aren't all over the place. And I was like, well, this is just sort of like wrecking a recognized stroke on, on that white background. So I was like, there's got to be some way you could programmatically bid, like, okay, you're about to touch like this dark black line. Like you can't go any further. So then. Combining those two, an iPad app that lets you describe, you know, a coloring book page creates it, but now turns it into like, you know, the more advanced coloring book page where like, you can only shade in the spot that you're currently coloring. Oh, neat. Oh Shawn: yeah. Elysse: Yeah. That'd be cool. Shawn: And you could, um, so like Canva does this thing now where you just like print your stuff so you can make a rack card or make a, make a, um, birthday card. And then there's just like a print button and you just like put in your address and pay on your credit card and they mail you a printed copy of the thing that you made. Gavin: Wow. Shawn: Um, yeah, it's like quite good right out of Canva and the, um, now the quality of the cut is not great for some [00:35:00] reason. I don't know like what they're using to cut off the printer, but it's not as sharp as the local printer. Like if I go to my local. like print shop here and I asked them to make me a rack card it'll have nice sharp edges and good paper the stuff from canva I feel like is inferior but I think they'll they'll get that dialed in Elysse: pierre. co Shawn: I don't know what this is, but I joined the wait list. Oh, it looks really Gavin: cool. This is the product engineering tool, code hosting, reviews, docs, and CI, which is continuous integration. One place for product engineers and their teams to focus on what they do best building products. Interesting. So it's sort of like a collection of, um, sort of like a dev ops, not DevOps, um, workflow, like a, an end to end, like build, submit, review, deploy, Elysse: like a GitHub competitor. Shawn: I'm wondering, can it replace Trello? Um, there's this blended diffs where you can like link the figma to the code somehow. That's interesting. Go on there and embed stuff. That seems kind of [00:36:00] neat. And then, um, is it a GitHub replacement or does it link to your GitHub repo? I hope it links Gavin: to Shawn: it. Gavin: Like I don't want to GitHub replacement, but I'd like some tooling on top of it. I don't, Shawn: there hasn't been a replacement for GitHub in so long that I'm kind of curious to try one. Like if somebody reinvented GitHub, how would it go? You know? I mean, there's GitLab, but yeah, Gavin: I know what you mean. And what's the other one that nobody uses? Bitbucket, something stupid by Atlassian. Pretty much everything they make is a trash fire. Shawn: Yet we're using Trello. They bought Trello because it was awesome. That's a good point. And, and in Atlassian's defense, I can't believe I'm doing this. When Jira first came out, it was good. Before it was like wrapped in this entire Atlassian account management system with enterprise shit. And you've got like Jira service management and Jira itself and con. Fluence and like, I don't know. There's just such a mess of garbage around it. Um, anyway, [00:37:00] in the old days, I'm dating myself 15 years ago. JIRA was a great product. Gavin: That's when it was a to do list. Elysse: How Sean feels about enterprise products. Not good. All right, Pierre, this robot, it's a big AI day for us. Gavin: Oh, the someone, I remember watching this. Someone shared this, the figure bought, is it called figure one? And it's supposed to be a competitor to the, um, Tesla bot, Tesla bot. I wanted to say the X spot, but yeah. Yeah. Elysse: Open AI speech to speech reasoning with this Shawn: robot. It looks really good. Like this little demo video that we shared in our newsletter. Um, you just look for figure YouTube. Um, yeah, it's incredible. This, this robot, Elysse: what Gavin: I find interesting is like, you know, that they decided to use OpenAI for the speech recognition, which is cool. And you can see it in the little dots in its face. Cause like if you've ever used chat GPT and, and, um, [00:38:00] talk mode where like you just talk to it, like you would with Siri or whatever, um, that's what it looks like. So they've obviously just like overlaid that actual speech step, which is cool. But then the rest of it, I don't think they're using. And I don't know, uh, open AI is modeling to like drive the actual robot, right? Like it's receiving, it's receiving like, like texts to, um, processes. And then something behind the scenes is like driving, like pick up the Apple and give it to the person. But really cool that they decided to. Like combine the two, you know what I mean? Instead of just making their own LLM, it would have been, I don't know why they wouldn't just use their own LLM, right? Like it would have been perfectly possible. Cool. Shawn: I, this is so far beyond me, technically, I have no concept of how the robot would identify an Apple, like, is it using, um, image recognition? It must be. Yeah. Yeah. So like there's a camera, there's some image [00:39:00] processing. It identifies the Apple, uh, using, I mean, maybe it could be using OpenAI tech to identify the Apple. Does OpenAI have an image recognition? I know it has DALI. No, it has image recognition. Gavin: I've Shawn: used Gavin: it a lot. Shawn: So, um, yeah, maybe it's actually using open AI for the computer vision piece of it too. Gavin: I think in the comments that actually. Says it is but only to recognize the object not its depth of field. You know what I mean? So like it's like yes, there's an apple in front of me But like that's a 2d image as far as like open ai is concerned Um, but then for the robot to know where to grab that is a whole new thing, right? And like to be able to gently pick something up without crushing it Because it has no no, um sense of um, Pressure Shawn: really yeah tactile. Yeah I mean that seems to be a solved problem now You Yeah, by the looks of it. It seems like all these humanoid robots have that. Elysse: We have come a long way since these robots, though. Have you seen those kits? It's like trying to put paper in a basket and it's like, Oh [00:40:00] yeah. Gavin: Have you seen that one robot in training and like, uh, um, it's supposed to be like an Amazon replacement bot and it's like running through rafters or something like that with like a box and it's got to like run, jump, pick up a box, like jump up to the next rafter. I was like, holy shit, this is like something out of call of duty. I'll try to find it and we'll put it in a future, um, link. Elysse: Um, Well, no, I didn't share it. Somebody else shared this one, but I thought it was really neat. I thought that this was a great little onboarding experience. They do it right out of the gate. Shawn: Oh, it's a little like bubble pops up, goes to the next thing. You can click the next button. That's nice. Gavin: Yeah, that Shawn: is Gavin: nice. So it's like a library for implementing onboarding flow on your own app. Shawn: The number of times we've made an app and then be like, ah, we have to add onboarding and then like, you're like, do we loop the designers back in? Do we design something, something like this on Borda could be great. On Borda. dev, but Borda is lacking the A. Elysse: Um, this last one is just like a cool [00:41:00] website. Shawn: Pink Friday. What is it? Elysse: It's for nails. Shawn: Oh, luxurious pressons by the queen. Who's the queen in this context? I'm guessing pink? Like the artist? I don't think so. Elysse: Look at all these. Gavin: Come on, you're not going to put that on your nails. Please tell me people don't actually do that. What the hell is going on there? No. I would have to leave. I would have to excuse myself from the table. I'd be like, I can't. I have to go. Elysse: Yeah, I think people do. I don't know how you get anything done. But yeah, I think people definitely do. Gavin: That's Shawn: wild. Have you seen people type with long nails? It's like a weird Yeah, they have to like, like, have to kind of Elysse: They have to touch it with their, like, fingers. Yeah, the Shawn: flesh of their Yeah. The Elysse: flesh, the flesh of their skin. Shawn: Yeah. I think nails aren't, like, a big thing in tech. Um Elysse: I don't think so. Gavin: I feel like you're Shawn: probably Gavin: right. Yeah. Could someone make, like, a keyboard that would work with nails? Like, that could revolutionize the [00:42:00] fashion industry with the tech industry. Like, what if they were squishy keys? And you would just like, pierce the boink, boink, boink. So instead of a clicky keyboard, it's a squishy keyboard. Elysse: There's a demographic for that. Someone would buy it. Shawn: What if we made smart press on nails? That's interesting. Oh, like smart nails? What would you would they do? Yeah. They could control devices. You could just like point at your door to unlock it. Elysse: Or like those, do you remember those pens that you'd have for your Your cell phone back in like 2012. Yeah, like a stylist. You could use the nail Shawn: as a stylist. You could, um, I don't know, they could have little cameras on. You could investigate your boogers. Elysse: Gross. Gavin: Uh, Elysse: excellent. Your earwax. Yeah. Gavin: Alright, alright. Elysse: That's that. Gavin: Cool. Elysse: Anything else you guys want to chat about for Shawn: I, I just love that all our, uh, Use cases for smart nails were really dumb use [00:43:00] cases. Gavin: Uh, yeah. Shawn: Um, wow. That was fast. I mean, we're 10 minutes early. Should we just wrap up 10 minutes early? We can wrap, we could, we don't got a good story. Could Gavin: I should uh, I should end off with, um, a quick play date update. It's been so fun to play. Um, but what's cool, I don't know if you can see this. Is every week, that's a gift picture, every week there's, I get two, when you first buy it, you get two free games, and they don't tell you what they are, until that week happens, so at the beginning of, when I first bought it, I set up my account, I got two free games, and when you click it, I'll do it right now, when you click the um, the package, it like goes through this little like, animation, and it will show you the game, and I got, Boogie loops, which is my game for the week. Um, and then there's another one. There's two of them, but I won't open that one right now. But it's really neat. Like what a fun, like I just bought this console, but I don't have any games. I've opened it and it's like, Hey, here's your two free games. I call it a season or something. And you get them for 12 [00:44:00] weeks. So 24 games. And, uh, it, what's interesting is like, You can go to the catalog and buy games, of course. And I'll chat about one in just a sec. But I really liked that. I don't need to and it sort of forced me to sit down and play these like indie games That are really quirky and weird and kind of stupid but really fun because they're stupid instead of like your classic like over Produced nintendo game, you know where everything's so polished And just like I don't even some of the wording or language in some of the games just it's so funny. I love it It's so quirky but um There's one developer I really respect. His name's Lucas Pope. And he released a game on here called Mars After Midnight. And I had to buy it. It was only like six bucks. But it's like, just, that's the label on the front. Mars After Midnight. And um, one of the games I discovered of his years ago, I'm like, it's gotta be It feels like it's got to be 10 or 15 years ago. Um, what's called Papers, Please. And you're essentially like a border patrol officer. It feels like very Russian. Like you're basically a border patrol for Russia. [00:45:00] Yeah, there you go. And, um, And, uh, I was so addicted to that game for so long. And all you're doing is like checking people's passports and it gets more and more complicated and you have to decide like, do I let this person in? Cause they're bribing me and my family needs more money. And like, my kids are sick and I need food or like, do I do my job and risk, like not going to jail? And like, there's 20 different endings or something, but, um, I just discovered that it's on iOS. I guess he like ported it from, um, steam or Mac or, or whatever it was. I can't, I think I played it on windows, but, um, I redownloaded it after discovering Mars after midnight. I was like, Oh, I wonder what Lucas Pope's been up to. And he converted it to an iPhone app. So highly recommend playing papers, please on iPhone. It is so fun. Elysse: Papers like papers, Gavin: papers, please. I guess search it up and you can bring it up. Oh, it's not on, not on play date. It would be on iOS, but if you just search it, like you can get it on probably anywhere, like steam, I wouldn't be surprised if he's ported it to like [00:46:00] PlayStation or something too. I have no idea. Elysse: Okay. Gavin: Yeah. Steam. There you go. Elysse: Yeah. Is this it? Gavin: Uh, I can't see on your screen. Maybe. Elysse: There we go. Gavin: Yep. That's it. Cool. Yep. Yeah, it looks really good. Elysse: Yeah. Gavin: 2013, 10 years ago. Wow. Elysse: You would give. The play date as a purchase a 10 out of 10 as 100 percent Gavin: as long as like the caveat is like The screen for one actually this threw me off is not backlit So it looks bright here, but you can't really play it in bed at night Which I don't mind because I wasn't going to anyway, but it's like that like the Kindle screen, where if you're in light, it almost gets brighter. So when I'm outside playing it, or even just like the light from my window here, the, the screen's nice and bright and crisp, but a lot of people are like, Oh, I can't like play it in dimly lit, which I kind of get as a bit annoying, but all my devices are like backlit and have bad glare. Whereas this is the one thing that I can actually play like [00:47:00] out at the beach or outside my backyard. I was playing on it the other day. So I actually really appreciate that they made that decision, but for someone who isn't expecting it might be a little bummed out because they're like, Oh, I'm going to play this on the couch at night. Well, unless you have the light on, you're not going to see the screen. Elysse: Yeah, that's fair. Um, so next week, are we reviewing the keyboard or the sunglasses? Shawn: Yeah. Sean. Oh, did you order the keyboard yet? I will have to have an aside. I haven't ordered anything. Oh, are you Elysse: going to get a keyboard, Sean? Shawn: I was thinking of getting the one that we reviewed two podcast episodes ago. Oh. Where you, like, that has the special Figma aside. I don't know. That thing was so cool. It looked old. Work Louder was the, Work Louder dot whatever was the URL. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember. I couldn't justify Gavin: that because I'm not in Figma. I'm not a Figma designer person. Well, Elysse: neither am I. Interesting. Okay. So this one. Uh, this bad boy. Shawn: Yeah, this thing. I love [00:48:00] it. It's so lovely. There's a white version, the, um, um, one criticism of the website when you're like actually go to pre order, it's not clear what color you're pre ordering. There's like colorway, atomic, atomic, purple, graphite, and chalk, but it doesn't change the photo when you select it. Oh yeah. So it's like, which one is which I'm assuming chalk is the white one, but it's not clear. Elysse: Yeah. Uh, yeah, I'm assuming that's chalk, right? Shawn: Yeah. I, but like nowhere does it say on their website, which is which color. They're actually really cool looking. Gavin: I like that it is flatter keys, but they're still mechanical. I have, I've gotten used to, um, I think these are called cherry something keys, the ones that I have, and I've gotten used to them, but it took me probably about a week cause I'm used to the super flat ones, but transitioning to a mechanical keyboard with like more low profile keys like that would probably be a lot easier. Yeah. Shawn: This looks like it'd be a nice in between, between my Apple keyboard and, um, a chunky keyboard. Elysse: Okay. So I figured out how to change. So you have to pick the language first [00:49:00] and then you can, Oh, look at that. Gavin: Oh, there you go. Oh, that's awesome. Elysse: So atomic is the clear. Yeah. And there's the purple clear and then the graphite sleek, but the chalk is cool. The Gavin: chalk is dope. It's got so much contrast, especially with the red and blue button. Like it just pops. What is the numbers do? What is the dot, uh, like the left there? What is that LCD or L whatever it is, the OLED? Elysse: I don't know. Do you know Sean? Gavin: No, I have no idea. Elysse: Um, it's like Gavin: it can change. It's not static. Elysse: I don't know what that is. So the timer, what is it timing me for? Gavin: It's gotta be something that you install on your computer. That is like their software that lets you change it. Like maybe your clock. Like, 12. 17 could be the time. Elysse: Huh. Neat. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Yeah. Here we go. Cool. Sweet. And probably got like a bunch of different little widgets there. Oh, community room. Yes, like little plugins. Yeah, little widgets. That's sweet. Awesome. Cool. [00:50:00] Well, you have to let us know when you get it, and we'll, uh, review it next Shawn: week. I'm gonna order it. Elysse: I haven't bought anything yet. I'll get the nails. Gavin: Oh God, please. Don't you need those? You need those glasses. Get the sunnies. Elysse: Yeah. I'll get the sunnies or something. Hell yeah. Um, cool. We can wrap. All right. That's nice. Shawn: Yeah, that's great. We can have a guest next week. Do we know who? Elysse: Yeah, we're gonna have Grace next week. Shawn: Um, Grace Hopper, is that her last name? Grace Hopper? Elysse: I think so. Yeah. Webpload, designer, developer. Shawn: Yeah. That'll be great. Elysse: Yeah. Awesome. Stoked to have her. All right. Well, see you guys next week. See Shawn: you guys on the internet. Elysse: Okay. Bye. Bye.