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Shawn: [00:00:00] Yeah, seven spiders in my family room. It was Elysse: the consequences of living in the country, I guess. Shawn: I guess so. Is it just spring in the country? The spiders invade? Elysse: Gavin, do you have a lot of spiders in your house right now? Gavin: Uh, not a lot, but I mean, yeah, I find some. I don't, like how much is a lot of spiders? Like one a week? Elysse: Six. Gavin: At once. Six in one day Shawn: in the family room. Six spiders. That's how many you had? Wow. Yes, Stephanie and Riley, my wife and daughter, trap them in jars, and they just wait for dad to come home. So I come home, and there's six spiders. Now the real question is, did you nicely Gavin: take them outside, or did you brutally murder all of them? Shawn: No, I took them outside because I'm trying to teach Riley not to murder creatures. Um, but, uh, every now and again when she's not looking, I'll, like, squish, squish one. Yeah, um, but now that I've been, like, a Buddhist about it, I've, um, I've started realizing, this is philosophical, but I'm [00:01:00] more likely to squish a very small insect than a big insect. It's, like, the larger the spider gets, The more of a being it becomes in my mind, but like a little sugar ant, I'll just be like, squish, you know, um, not in front of Riley, of course. Elysse: Yeah. I mean, that's fair. I don't know if that's fair. I don't think that's fair at all. I Shawn: don't think it's fair. I'm sure the little, the little sugar ant has as much being as the, anyway, this is not a philosophy podcast. There's a kid's Elysse: book there. There's like a story there for sure. Shawn: Ooh, yeah. about stomping on ants? Elysse: Yeah, like the little guy. The little guy's just as important as the big guy. Okay, yeah, yeah. All right, Shawn: I see where you're going with this. Elysse: Um, speaking of Shawn: Oh, Elysse: I was just gonna say one thing. I'll, I'll We hate condo life for a lot of reasons, but one of the good reasons being on the top floor in our condo is that there's almost never spiders. Although in my skylight above me, they like to like [00:02:00] hibernate in the winter along the edge of the skylight. And then in the springtime, they all come back to life and then they fall on my computer and that's, but they're the like little jumping spiders, which are apparently the only spider that can like, see you and like, they look at you apparently like really intently. Someone told me this and I could be wrong. I don't know. Gavin: I'm so uncomfortable now. I'm like, were they on mushrooms? Elysse: No, I don't think so. But they're apparently the only spider that can like, I don't know, like track your movements and they watch you. And they're like more visually in tune. Uh, someone probably told me this and it's not true, but I'm going to believe it's true. Gavin: I'm asking about the Elysse: jumping spiders. Anyways, Shawn: I had to stop watching Yellowstone last night. I've been trying to watch it. And, uh, I really like the historical ones, 1823 and 1923 or whatever, um, [00:03:00] but it just got so dark and violent and sad, I was just like, man, I had to shut it off. Elysse: What is Yellowstone about? Because I, I thought it was just about like ranchers and like the life of, in Montana, but like I'm hearing that it's certainly not about that. Shawn: I mean it is, but it's like a modern day western, I guess. Elysse: Okay. Shawn: Like a western set in in modern days and it's about money and politics and violence and Elysse: okay and Shawn: ranching You know Elysse: and wrenching Gavin: Um, quickly going back to the jumping spiders. Um, yeah, apparently that's true. So the quick version is jumping spiders have four pairs of eyes with large front pair, giving them sharp vision to spot movement and detail from a distance. And it's a hunting technique. So unlike web building spiders, jumping spiders are active hunters. They rely on their keen eyesight to spot and stalk prey, which also means they're more likely to notice us moving around. Whoa. Pretty cool. Huh? Elysse: Yeah. Gavin: Are you sufficiently creeped out now? Elysse: Sorry. Shawn: Her [00:04:00] video froze. Oh, there we go. Mind it. Well, yeah, we, we, we got you frozen in the, in the spider horror for like a few seconds. Elysse: Okay. Well, at least I'm back now. Um, I guess in other news, Gavin, you did a race this weekend. How was that? Gavin: It was a lot of fun. Yeah. It was a run race called the Fletcher's challenge here on the island. And it's like. It's kind of like behind mountains and like back trails and stuff, lots of mud, lots of water and stuff. It was great. It was a lot of fun. They do it every year. It's like a fundraiser for, um, local kids and families that can't support or have access to funds for like, um, you know, outdoor sports and that sort of stuff. And, uh, so we like to go and like donate to it. We, it's, um, there's a kid version called the Cookie Run and it's for Easter. And the kids run around the lake. So we always make a huge batch of cookies and donate it to it. Cause at the end, there's like this lineup of all these tents with, uh, with different like homemade cookies and stuff that people bring and the kids love it. So it was a good time. [00:05:00] Elysse: I didn't do a good deed over the weekend. That's very, it's very wonderful. That, uh, that's cool. I was just going to ask how many kilometers was the run? Gavin: Uh, it's 12. Elysse: Oh, nice. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah, not super long. Just uh, just a lot of not a ton of elevation. I mean, it's up parts of a mountain but it's more of the um the terrain like a lot of it's muddy and rooty and like a lot of ups and downs and then running through knee deep water for sections of it. It was, you know, it's more of the adventure of it than anything. Elysse: Yeah. Cool. Shawn: Yeah. Just a casual stroll to the mailbox. It's pretty much. Elysse: Sweet. John, how was your Easter? Shawn: Um, I don't know. Uneventful. Some Easter egg hunts. Actually, I hosted like three, like, roast beef dinners. So, um, I guess it was eventful. But, um, I do that every Easter or Thanksgiving or Christmas. So, these [00:06:00] just feel like family comes to town, we eat a lot of food. There's some chocolate, some chips. I've been eating way too many potato chips. I really need to scale back on the potato chip consumption. Elysse: That's fair. Chips are good. Gavin: We should have a, uh, a chip of the week for, I don't think we've mentioned this before, but in our team Slack channel, we have a chips channel and, um, everybody drops like their favorite chips that they're having right now in there. I feel like we should have a chip of the week that we put in the things that are in talk about and the rating and why it was rated. Maybe not always the best one. Sometimes it's like the worst one and why you shouldn't buy it. Shawn: We actually have mentioned that last week on the episode with Grace Walker. Oh, nice. Oh, I missed that one. We discussed the benefits of making your own chip blends. You know, take a little barbecue here, a little sour cream and onion there, put them in the same bowl. I Gavin: can't Shawn: get on board with that. Yeah, yeah. Elysse: Yeah. Yeah. Shawn: Should we click some links? Let's do Elysse: it. Although before we do that, I, this is a purchase [00:07:00] that I made yesterday that Wasn't influenced by the podcast, but it was influenced by Gavin. Gavin: Yes You're welcome Elysse: so I've been looking at new running watches or like just watches in general for a while and I have a Suunto 7 And it's fine. It's very bulky Like I can't even fit my like snowboarding gloves over it And the battery dies within like three hours when I'm using it for an activity. Gavin: So I Elysse: went and got an Apple Watch yesterday. Yeah, Gavin: nice. I love my first Elysse: Apple Watch. Never used one before. Um, I got the smaller one, because you're right. The one that you have is real big. Gavin: Yeah, the, it, it's chunky. It's like, yeah, yeah. Elysse: Real big. I have the smaller Gavin: one too. Elysse: I got really little lists, wrists. So, um, yeah. And then I tracked my sleep last night and I found out that I was awake for 48 minutes last night and I went, Oh no, Gavin: this isn't good. I love it for the sleep tracking. It used to be pretty bad. Like, um, when they first [00:08:00] introduced it and there was third party apps that did it and they weren't particularly good, but now. Over the years they've dialed it up and it's really good. I love it Like I always wear my watch to bed and track it and then i'm just in the habit before I jump in the shower in The morning, I put it on the charger and have breakfast by the time I come back. It's ready to go again So I was gonna ask when Shawn: do you charge it if you sleep with it? Yeah Gavin: Yeah, it's first thing in the morning when I get up Shawn: And you don't find it too bright at night. I guess I sleep with a two year old Um, we co sleep That's a whole nother topic, but um, I find the the watch is a little bright. It'll like she'll notice it in the night Oh, put it on my watch. There's sleep mode. Gavin: That's not even do not disturb sleep mode won't even turn on if you touch it. Oh Yeah, so does how do you undo sleep mode? There's you can just like hold down the crown. I think it's called right here And it kind of goes into like this mode where it's like boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And then it unlocks, but it also auto unlocks in the timeframe. So I have mine set to go to sleep mode from 10 to seven every day. So 10 PM, it just turns on [00:09:00] automatically and 7 AM it turns off. Shawn: Oh, that's smart. I should try it. I never track my sleep. Like, um, cause I always charge it at night. Nice. Elysse: Yeah. I was pretty, uh, sad that I was awake for 40 minutes. I was like, what am I doing? And how am I? For Shawn: almost Elysse: an hour every night. Shawn: Oh, man. Was it consecutive or was it spread out? No, it's Elysse: like spread out, but like it was in and like I remember waking up because most of the time I'll wake up like I'm a terrible sleeper I'll usually wake up at like 3 in the morning and like 4 and sometimes at midnight Um, and I think my bad habit is like, I'll scroll on Reddit to try and fall back asleep. And that's probably what's also keeping me awake is like, my brain is getting dopamine being like, this is enjoyable. Keep doing this. And also Shawn: blue light, like from the screen. Elysse: Totally. So, um, yeah, I'm excited about my sleep journey now because of this new watch, but it's great. I can't like, I don't know why I haven't jumped on the Apple watch thing earlier. I'm really enjoying it. Shawn: I [00:10:00] really like my Apple watch. Yeah. Sleep Journey is a good band name. It is a good band name. Oh, that is a Gavin: good band Elysse: name. Sleep Journey. Shawn: Alright. Let's get into it. Click some links. What is this cryptoinvoice. new? You Elysse: shared this. Shawn: Sometimes I see things and I share them. Yeah, Elysse: cryptoinvoice. new. Um, it looks like a invoicing site for crypto transactions. Right, you Shawn: get to choose. Cool. Yeah, that's neat. Yeah, I get it. Elysse: Yeah, I think that that's it Shawn: It's actually a very self explanatory URL. I could have guessed that. Elysse: Yeah It's also just like there's no it's by actual I guess The smarter way to pay bills in crypto. Shawn: Oh, this is neat. Gavin: Oh paying bills. That's interesting Shawn: Criminals will love this. Gavin: Do people actually do that like right now? [00:11:00] Shawn: Pay their bills? Gavin: Yeah, like with crypto. I thought you meant in general. No, no. Like, yeah, what have you been doing? Yeah, I mean, my, back in the day, it's, you know. Someone's getting audited. Shawn: I like this idea. It's kind of cool. Although like, I'm a crypto hoarder. I would rather just hang on to the crypto and hopefully, uh, number goes up, you know? Yeah. Elysse: Would you want to get paid in crypto? Bye. Bye. Bye. Yeah, we have. Oh, you have? Gavin: Okay. Shawn: It depends. Gavin: Like, as a paycheck? I don't know. Maybe. Oh, as a paycheck. Nah, it's like, yeah, we've done client work where they've paid us in Bitcoin, and that actually worked out great, because we did that in like 2018 or something, and it's like, it's gone up a lot since then, so. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. No, I've never regretted taking crypto for payment. We've done it three or four times. Yeah. Nice. Elysse: Well, that's that. Um. Thank you. You're welcome. Shawn: Uncut Gavin: WTF Elysse: fonts [00:12:00] recently. Um, oh, Gavin: fonts. Elysse: Yeah. Font. Fonts. Not a designer, Gavin: but I can really appreciate a good font. Elysse: Mm-Hmm. . Lots of nice websites for You. Missed the one last week too. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Maybe I'll pull that up again just to show 'em, um, for the, Gavin: for the fonts. Elysse: Yeah. I'm, I'm liking all of these, uh, like font websites, like they're super cool. Gavin: Oh yeah, we talked about this, this Casa de Soler. How many times can you like make fonts though? Like, I mean, granted I like them and I appreciate a good font, but like, there's gotta be thousands, maybe millions. I don't know. That could be an overestimation, but like, how many more fonts can you make? The alphabet is static. It's like, you can only lean the letters so many ways. Infinite, right? Elysse: It's gotta be infinite. Shawn: Well, it's, it's trend based, right? You could say, how many ways can you make a. Sundress, you know, probably, probably a billion. Right. It's like fashion. I only have a Gavin: handful of sundresses, so [00:13:00] I can't Shawn: relate. I don't know why I chose sundress. I was going to say t shirt, but then I was like, there really is only one way to make a t shirt. Elysse: Uh, yeah, I think infinite for fonts. Right. It's gotta be, uh, you can ask chat GPT and see what they say. They were right about the spiders. Yeah. Shawn: Let's click another link. DM. com. Elysse: Shoes! Gavin: Is that font supposed to be off the screen? That's really bothering me. Elysse: I think so. I can't get it lower. I have so Gavin: much anxiety around that. Elysse: Yeah. Gavin: Like, usually when they're like halfway, it's kind of cool. But that's just like, Oh, it's such a tease. I hate it so much. You can't actually read the name. Elysse: I agree, actually. Shawn: This small Helvetica menu with the one or two pixel line below it. Like I thought that was a trend that went away in like 2005. But I'm kind of happy to see it again. It's sort of hip and fashion. Elysse: So far, we only have kind of bad things to say about this one. [00:14:00] Shawn: I like the colors, although it makes me think of Lacoste and I believe it's about sneakers. Elysse: Yeah, let's take a look at some boots. I never Gavin: got on the Lacoste bandwagon. Elysse: Oh, Shawn: I used to like those Lacoste, just white sneakers with the little alligator on them. Just the plain white sneakers. Elysse: These are neat. Uh, let's look at sneakers, I guess. I mean, it's a cool website. Shawn: Yeah. Elysse: Got cool stuff. Shawn: Now are these all white sneakers? This dm brand or is like dm a store that sells other brands Elysse: I feel like it's one of those stores that sells other brands. Oh, okay. So like Shawn: there's a different marrow sticker Elysse: Yeah Shawn: would be the brand of the shoe. I guess. Yeah, that makes sense. Elysse: Like what's at the top? I really like these all I don't know. Maybe Gavin: I always want to buy like I don't know what you call them like cloth shoes, but i'm hesitant to like there's the ones that have like that shoey texture, but like, um, Something a little more fabric, I think it's like kind of cool, but [00:15:00] yeah, I'm so. I almost said I'm so dirty, but that doesn't sound right. Um, I'm so like messy with my shoes. Um, I don't know how I do it. Maybe it's having kids and like running through fields and stuff like that. But like, I just destroy my shoes and I'm like, if I got fabric shoes, it'd be like dragging my clothes through the mud every day. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: You and I get a pair of sneakers and we wear it every day, nonstop. I think people who have clean shoes have like six pairs of sneakers and they wear different sneakers on different days. So they last Gavin: much longer. Elise, do you have multiple sneakers? Elysse: Um, I have like specific shoes for specific activities. So I have like trail running shoes. I have like hiking shoes. I have more Crocs than I probably should have. Gavin: Wait, do you have the cool like what are they called the the Crocs gems or whatever the hell? What are they called gibbets the gibbets? Do you have Crocs [00:16:00] gibbets? Elysse: I sure do Gavin: You're the best. I need to get on the Crocs bandwagon Elysse: I have like the sandal Crocs and then they're called all terrain Crocs, which I Mostly got them because I thought that they were stupid and they're Super comfortable and I really like them I got cropped boots for after skiing that have like a fuzzy insert and so they're warm and they're really comfortable Then I have a bunch more Yeah, I do have a like a lot of shoes But like some of them like I have a pair of docks that I don't wear like I wear only like For when you need to wear docks, which is not when you go to Shawn: that punk club for ya What's a year Elysse: like when I go to the Orpheum a few times a year? Yeah Can, Shawn: can we rewind? What are gibbets? What did you Gavin: just call them? Elysse: Oh yeah, gibbets. They're like, Gavin: yeah, we'll pull them up, but I guess for people listening, they're like little things that you literally put on your crocs, like, kind of [00:17:00] think pins or whatnot that you put on like your backpacks and stuff, but it's like things for crocs. Oh, like flair. Charms, that's the word I was looking for, flair, those are better words. Shawn: What was that, um, Elysse: there was a Shawn: movie about flair with Jennifer Aniston. She was like a waitress and the manager was like, you're not wearing enough flair today at this restaurant. Anyway, sorry. Wait, I remember Gavin: that scene and that she was working at like Red Lobster or something. Shawn: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Gavin: Anyway, these are hilarious decorations for your crocs. There's a Snorlax one. I Elysse: know. I need to Gavin: get crocs just so I can have the Snorlax. Elysse: Yeah. And then you can get the all terrain crocs. So here, I'll show you what they look like. Gavin: All Elysse: terrain. I can go Shawn: off road. Elysse: Isn't that sweet? I mean, those are pretty sweet. These Shawn: remind me of my rubber Birkenstocks. I have like the, the plastic rubber Birkenstocks and I wear them like every day, they're my slip on shoes to go in and out of the house. Elysse: I think they're great. Like these ones have like some [00:18:00] texture on them. These ones are a Levi's. Like these are pretty cool. You can't tell me those aren't cool, right? Shawn: I mean, I don't think they're cool. Um, I'm in the market for some of those like ankle high rubber boots that you can just slip on. Okay. Um, like a nice pair of like, I call them farm boots, but like, yeah, like those, those are perfect. Can I offer you a classic boot? Gavin: Well, let's look, well, hold on. Let's look at that eco boot. What is going on with that? Yeah, these are cool, right? Now that is off road, man. You could walk straight up your wall with that. Elysse: And they're fuzzy. So these are similar to the ones that I have for after skiing. And they, like, they're warm and like comfortable. They're kind of like slippers. We can still wear them outside. Gavin: Those are incredible. I need those for camping. Being a Shawn: shoe designer at Crocs would be pretty fun because it's like, it doesn't seem like there's any limits. You can just do whatever you want. You can just get Gavin: reckless with it. I dig it. It's cool. I might have to order some Crocs. This is, that's this week's purchase. These are company expenses, right? That's part [00:19:00] of the podcast. Yeah, Elysse: I think so. Shawn: Internet shopping. Elysse: Canada Day sales. So on Canada Day, get your crocs. Yeah. Um, FC variable. Robe and Robin. nl. Gavin: What? I have no idea what this is. Are they architects? I like the animations. Elysse: Yeah, the animations are really cool. I think that's probably why we shared it. Shawn: Oh yeah. This is really cool. Elysse: Yeah. Super fun. Um, they're all soccer and I'm not sure why. Gavin: Yeah. They seem very, um, sports oriented. Shawn: Oh, FC stands for football club. Oh Gavin: yeah. There you Shawn: go. But is it a, like a metaphor? They're using a football metaphor to talk about their animation library. Maybe. Elysse: Perhaps. Shawn: Like what is this website? What are they selling me here? Custom [00:20:00] goalie or goal things. Gavin: Oh, Shawn: it's a font. It's a Gavin: font. Web Elysse: site. Why are we so focused on the animations? Gavin: Cause you can have a thicker font, I guess. Shawn: I mean, I love the website, but that took me a minute. Elysse: Yeah, but I'm still hung up on the animations and the goal posts. If this is font, what's the, help me, help me, help me. Shawn: Well, why don't we click one, click glide or serif or Elysse: They don't do anything. Shawn: Oh. You just get a look at them? Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: Playground, okay. Now that our team is a fully functional font, let's play around and experiment. I don't know. This is Gavin: wait, wait, there's like a story. Wait, keep going. I'm too invested in this. It's like, now let's experiment. So it's like showing you what we can make and now it's going to show you what Elysse: you can do. So I'm now doing this. Gavin: Oh, you're animating it. Wait. [00:21:00] So it's like a font designer. I Shawn: don't know. Okay. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. Gavin: Controller Shawn: grabber. Just go all the way to the bottom and see what the, Oh, the adjustment. Okay. Gavin: All right. I see what's going on here. It's literally a font builder. Is it though? I feel like it is. I'm going to say yes. How Elysse: do I do this? Oh, Gavin: I need to skip to anyone listening to this. Get to the punchline. Where's the punchline? Elysse: Okay. Sorry. I'll get to that. So final whistle with all those goals, we'd like to reach our goal. Thanks for what? That's Gavin: it. There's no final punchline. What? I feel so taken advantage of. We've wasted too much time on this website. Moving on. Shawn: Yeah. Let's click a different one. I'm not Gavin: even plugging the name. Don't bother with that one. Don't click it. I have Elysse: to go back to it later because I need to know why that was what it was. Yeah. Um, this one's cool. Shawn: Who me? Who me. ai. Oh yeah. [00:22:00] So this is apparently, it says, did we talk about this last week? Gavin: AI's voice. Shawn: It's like a LLM you can talk to that has emotional awareness. Gavin: Doesn't ChatGPT have emotional awareness? I feel like when I talk to it, it gives me some, like, guidance. It's like a counselor. Shawn: Like, I'm wondering if you can interrupt this thing or show frustration, and will it, like, be aware of that? Gavin: I would like that. A lot of the time when I'm using Chachapiti, I've done this hack where like, I say, when you respond to only give me like a short, like one sentence, you know, five words response, unless I ask for more and that has helped. Because often when I'm driving, I'll have these ideas, so I'll just turn it on and I'll be like, Hey, I want to talk about this idea, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then, you know, just keep talking about it. That's great. But you're right, Sean. Sometimes I want to be like, no, no, no, you're talking about the wrong thing. Stop. Like, let me, let me rephrase. Shawn: Well, like a human, if you're on a road trip with a human, and, uh, A road trip with a human, that's a good band name. You say, what is a [00:23:00] lion? A human's gonna say, oh, it's an animal that lives in the jungle. They're not gonna say, what A lion is a large wildcat of the whatever variety that has blahblahblahblah and then just like give you a paragraph. That would be so annoying. I'd probably ask you if you were high, Gavin: if we were driving, like Shawn: what is a lion? Yeah. So, I mean, humans interact differently than these LLMs. So I, I personally like to see progress on the humanity of the chat bot. Gavin: Yeah. Like the, um, what is that? The characteristic of it or the, um, yeah, the human. Elysse: It's not like anthropomorphize. No, that's, that's not that. Shawn: That's like making a lion a human. Yeah. Um, Gavin: yeah. Well, I'll have to try this later. My friend tried it and he said it was kind of cool, but I, that was it. That was the end of the conversation. Elysse: Have you ever. I've always wondered how you would describe a color to somebody who has never seen a [00:24:00] color before, like how would you describe blue or red? Gavin: Oh man, are you Hylia Lees? No, Elysse: I'm curious. Gavin: We're Elysse: talking about describing lions and like Shawn: I would, um, I would relate it to a physical object. If somebody said like, describe blue, I would say the color of the sky. Okay. Elysse: But what if they've never seen the sky before? Like I'm, I'm just curious how you would describe something, like a color, to someone who's never seen the color in any capacity before. Gavin: Oh, like some are brighter and darker and have different shades of Yeah, how do you describe that? Elysse: It's interesting, right? Shawn: It is. It's tricky. Do blind people have a concept of light and dark? Elysse: So I think when you're blind, it's not, I could be wrong. I, but I don't think it's it for a lot of people. It's full darkness. I think you see like a variation of lighter or whatever. I don't know, but I'm sure there are people who have [00:25:00] probably never seen what the color blue looks like. And it's just interesting to think of how you would describe a color. Cause it would be different for everybody. Right. Gavin: Right. Yeah. Yeah. If you're born blind and someone's like, Oh, the sky's really blue today. And they're like, What does that mean? How would you describe that? Oh man, that's going to keep me Elysse: up at night. Ask chat. GBC what describe what the color blue is. Gavin: All right. I'm going to do it, but while, while we're talking, moving on, if it says something interesting, I'll bring it up. Elysse: All right. Um, Derek shared this. I thought this was really interesting. It was a lot more than I was expecting. Wow. Yeah. So this is starlinkmap. org and we're looking at a map of every single Starlink satellite. It's shocking. Shawn: On the one hand, I'm like, that's super impressive. On the other hand, I'm like, dang, that's a lot of space junk. It's a lot Elysse: of space junk. Gavin: Man. Yeah. That's a lot of star. I mean, I just pulled out my Starlinks. We're going camping soon and I use it when we're camping but like, that's a lot of [00:26:00] satellites. Elysse: Yeah, it's a lot. Gavin: And is that only actual Starlink satellites? I don't I think so, like, because like, there's more satellites than that. Like different countries have their own satellites for like weather stations and stuff like that. So like, if we 10 X that, like our world is surrounded by metal. Shawn: Yeah. Elysse: I mean, we've Shawn: got like a Elysse: 5, 900. So that's a lot. Everything that I'm hovering over says Starlink. So I haven't seen one yet. It's not certainly. Shawn: And imagine those are all weapons enabled and Elon could, you know, direct them to any point on the globe. Elysse: That's Shawn: just what we need. Sorry. I read a lot of science fiction. Elysse: Yeah, these look like they're all, uh, Gavin: I unfortunately read a lot of his Twitter posts, which are just garbage. Shawn: Everybody needs, uh, like a vent or a, um, to blow off some steam. [00:27:00] Unfortunately, Elon's is in the most public venue possible. So, uh Elysse: Uh, this is a while ago now, probably like a couple years ago. Uh, and Seb had a few friends over. And they were having a nice, good time. Uh, and they go out to like our patio and, I don't know, someone's smoking a cigarette or smoking a joint or something. And at this point in the night, like none of them are, they're having a good time, right? Like none of them are like precise or co coherent enough to like, logically be able to look at the sky and see one of those straight lines of star link satellites and know that that's exactly what it was. Yeah. So they come running back inside after being outside, uh, staring at, it was clear night staring at the sky and they all got pictures of like a star link satellite trail, which is like, they're just one after the other, after the other, after the other. And they're like, Oh my God, we have no idea what they're [00:28:00] freaking out. They have no, I've never seen it before. Like there's no logical explanation to them of like what it could be. And they show me a picture and I'm like, that's Starlink. You guys are fucked. And like the enjoyment and joy, like drained out of all of them. They're like, no, Shawn: we Elysse: thought we found something cool. Shawn: It's just the internet floating around the earth. Elysse: Yeah. When you see those, they're kind of like, if you haven't seen one before and like a clear night sky there, it's kind of a, yeah, Gavin: it's a little spooky. Elysse: Yeah. A little spooky. Gavin: That's what the aliens want you to think, Elise. They're like, yes, we're just starling. Elysse: We're just starling. That's what my simulator, my simulation controller person, right. Uh, Kay Van Vanden. Oh, I can't, what is this? K Shawn: Cave and Ker. Is this the domain? Domain name? Kay Van Ker nl. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: Tiles. Tiles. What is this connecting, this is neat with [00:29:00] your music collection. Elysse: I thought it was interesting. I don't think that it's like necessarily, uh, useful, but some people might aesthetically think that it's something that they want in their house. Shawn: It's a bit of a, like, throwback to CDs in jewel cases and record collections, so it's kind of neat. You can browse somebody's record collection and then, like, pop one into the player. Gavin: Yeah, the, like, physical motion of pushing down to, like, have it pop in is kind of a neat thing. Like, yeah, it's totally, um, you know, uh, what is the word I'm looking for? Retro? Not retro, but, like, you know, who's gonna actually use that? Tactile? Tactile. Oh, yeah. Like, it's just a, yeah. It's like a fun toy. But you're right. Like that sitting on, if I went over to like one of your guys's house and you had that, like I'd be messing with it, starting songs and like pushing it. I'd be like, this thing's cool. But then after five minutes I'd be like, okay, I don't need to play any music. Elysse: Yeah. Yeah. It's neat. Um, I don't think it's like for sale. Shawn: It's fun. They actually made a prototype though. Like [00:30:00] that's really cool. Elysse: Yeah. It's super neat. I think it looks cool. I don't think I would buy one. Um, but I think Shawn: it Elysse: aesthetically looks kind of nice. Shawn: Yeah. Like it's really neat Elysse: in a room. It looks cool. It's also a lot bigger than I thought, but Shawn: yeah, it's Elysse: a, yeah. Cool way of displaying music, playing music. Shawn: I love that they're showing the process of inventing a physical object with a custom interface. Like it's really, this is such a lovely case study on interaction design. Blending like physical and digital, like I'm all for this. This is super cool. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: I don't think I would buy it. I imagine it is dramatically expensive. Elysse: So he's a designer and prototyper exploring interactions that use digital and physical Ambiguous ideas into experience by gluing together various hard and software. Like, this legit makes me Shawn: want to email the dude and be like, let's design a synth. Yes, please. Yeah. He's got [00:31:00] Elysse: some cool Shawn: stuff. Yeah. Elysse: This dude's Shawn: rad. Elysse: Sweet. Um, all right. Next one. Whoa. Is this a washing machine? Shawn: It looks with those colors it's like a Google washing machine. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it was the Google that was the Google home logo That makes sense Elysse: Okay, I gotta stop so Kayvon Shawn: his name is Kayvon Elysse: Uh, usetula. com, pay bills, get paid. So this is just Shawn: like another invoicing tool. I think I might've shared this one too. So I don't know if our listeners know, but years ago, uh, our first startup was called Quote Robot. It was a proposal writing and invoicing tool for designers. And, uh, it no longer exists on the internet, but I have a place in my heart for invoicing tools. Elysse: It's beautiful. Shawn: It's lovely. What are the freelancers using these days? Like what are the kids send the invoices with? Gavin: What's that one? We used to use like after like quote robot kind of got sunsetted. [00:32:00] It was called, um, Shawn: fresh wave fresh accounting. Gavin: No. Shawn: Oh, fresh books. Everyone's used fresh books, fresh books, ballpark. I think it was called books. Gavin: Yeah. I feel like that's sort of like the de facto. Shawn: I mean, was? I feel like it's maybe not anymore because you're going back at least a decade. Well, that, I mean, Gavin: that doesn't mean it's not any good if they innovate it. I mean, we haven't used it because we don't need to. But like, if I was a new freelancer, man, that's a good question. Okay, if I were to like, go off and freelance, do my own thing, how would I bill people? Probably Stripe. Shawn: Would you just, like, directly shoot Stripe? I mean, you're a coder, so, like, maybe that makes sense. But I feel like if I was a designer, still, as a freelancer, I might use something like this Tola. I'd be like, hey, this is a sexy invoicing tool. Yeah, fair. That's true. Elysse: Or build people with, uh, that crypto invoicer. Shawn: Yeah, exactly. [00:33:00] Send me some Bitcoin. Elysse: Yeah. Cool. Cool. Well, you guys want some Nox? Gavin: These actually look really cool. I like these. I have, I have pretty decent binoculars. Um, But, uh, these really neat. I don't know if mine are waterproof. I should check. It's cool that those are. Shawn: I like them, but, um, they feel 3d printed to me. Like, don't they look like that? Like 3d printed. So that's Gavin: probably more rubbery than anything. Like I bet you, it's like, so if it's wet, it doesn't slide out of your hand. Shawn: And I like the monocle better than the binocul, binoculars. Like I like the one where you put, I always end up like closing one eye and binoculars anyway. Elysse: Um, the site's called NoxProvisions. ca. It's a cool site. It looks fun. It's for binoculars. Yeah. I, I never considered, [00:34:00] I don't know. I don't have binoculars. I don't, Shawn: Oh, monoculars. That's what it's called. A monoculars. It's called the zoom tube. The zoom tube. Oh, is it Gavin: like a, um, range finder? Shawn: No, it's just like a, a monocular. Well, I don't know. My, Gavin: my range finder is a monocular. Oh, okay. Yeah. Shawn: Maybe, maybe that's what a range finder is. Gavin: This is cool. I like these. That's Elysse: a range, like on a gun. Gavin: Yeah. Well, I mean, people use it for everything. I use it for hunting. Yeah. But I mean, you can use it for golf. So you can be like, Oh, I need to hit 24 yards. Shawn: Oh, does it actually tell you the range? That makes sense. Oh, yeah. It tells you the distance. Yeah, yeah. When I'm looking through it, it gives me, Gavin: like, wherever I'm pointing, the laser gives me an exact distance. Oh, it's a laser. Oh, it's a laser. I don't think this has Shawn: that. Elysse: That'd be cool. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. This Elysse: looks like it's for not, this is, this looks like it's for like birds. Yeah. And for keeping the birds alive. Gavin: I've always wondered if I'll get into birdwatching when I get older, because like, I feel like now, even the older I get now, I look outside and I'm like, that's actually [00:35:00] kind of a cool bird. What is that called? But then I get distracted and I don't look it up. But like, yeah. Shawn: Statistically, it's highly likely. I read something that has stuck with me that birdwatching is the number one hobby in North America. What? No, it's not. It's not. Number one. The number one. Oh my god. Gavin: I find that Shawn: depressing. It may be that only senior citizens fill out those surveys. True. What do you do for hobbies? Birdwatching. Gavin: Is it a paper survey? Shawn: I don't know if it is that guaranteed I might have I might have read that in birdwatching magazine Elysse: I got this funny book it's called the field guide to dumb birds of the whole stupid world Wow it's really funny because it gives you like a good I'm gonna try to find like a good visual of it it's uh it like it gives you a pretty solid Definition of like what the bird is, but in [00:36:00] like a really funny way. Gavin: Oh, that's great. It's super funny. I need to get this for my kids. Cause they have like a bird book, but it's not very fun for them to read. Cause it's like super technical. I feel like this would be a lot more, uh, entertaining for them. Elysse: There's really funny ones. It's like, I Gavin: really want this. Elysse: I have both copies. Uh, we gift it to like a lot of our friends who, uh, like birds and bird Trying to find a good section here. Gavin: I actually do like the idea of it. Like I find it like the birdwatching thing. Fascinating. I just haven't got too into it. I have a neighbor that's into it and he'll hear a call and he's like, Oh, that's a, I don't even know their names. Like it did it and then like, it'll fly over and he's like, yeah, see? And I'm like, Whoa, damn dude. Like you can actually pick them out with like the sound they make. That's the next level. Shawn: I'm laughing my ass off. Gavin: Come on. That's awesome. I'm like, I feel like that's commitment. Elysse: Oh, Shawn: I need this book. [00:37:00] Elysse: Yeah, it's good. Uh, but it's just funny stuff like this, like the lump, the shit, shit, murder, Gavin: weird legs. Oh man. This is the book I need. Yeah, Elysse: there's two volumes. Uh, it's very funny. I think everybody should get it. Yeah. Anyways, binoculars. Uh, yeah, cool. That's kind of it. This is an early one. You guys want to talk about anything else? Shawn: Hmm. Oh boy. Yeah. What are you going to talk about? Yeah, I did not come prepared for, I want to talk about the Gavin: croc some more. What kind of gibbets should I get? No, I'm still on this site. I'm pretty committed. Elysse: I can go back. I'm trying to think of, uh, stuff that's going on in the world. Shawn: We should ask everybody what they want for company swag. Um, and, uh, not, not that we're [00:38:00] distributing swag, but we're trying to come up with the swag for our summer summit. And, uh, we're going camping. Get feedback from the listeners. Gavin: Yeah. So for context twice a year, we do like our summer summit and our winter summit, which is just our Christmas party. I like calling it winter summit though. It sounds cooler. Um, and we do swag for each of them. So it was like last year we did like hoodies and that kind of stuff. And the one summer we did fanny packs and camping mugs and hats and that sort of stuff. And I don't, I don't want to say what we're doing this year, just because, uh, I know people from the team listen, so I don't want to spoil anything, but. Yeah, it'd be cool. Like to. Get some feedback on what other people would think would be fun to like, if you, if you were at a company that was giving you swag during like a summer camping trip, what would you want? Shawn: Yeah. What's the dopest swag you ever got? Gavin: And don't say camping mugs. We already did that. Elysse: Yeah. We've done a lot of, we've done, what have we done? We've done mugs. We've done and we [00:39:00] are going to Shawn: sell swag on our internet plumber. co domain. As soon as I get around to building it one day, Elysse: I found some more, not to go back to the birds, but I found some more funny ones. This is a Peruvian. Shawn: Shark tail. Nice. Hey, um, dumb Western bloober. I have a, yeah, this is so good. I actually have another link. Um, Swell, I think Swell e commerce, it's a, uh, that's what I'm going to build the internet plumber store in. It's like a headless e commerce API. So think like Shopify, but no interface. Here it is. Swell. is. Ooh. Commerce without limits. It looks really good. Gavin: I see like a dynamic data model that I'm in. This looks super interesting. Shawn: Yeah. And it's like completely headless. Gavin: That's [00:40:00] really neat. What does headless mean for people that don't know what that means? Shawn: Um, I was going to make a joke, but it just didn't come to me. Um, so like, there's no, um, uh, you don't use an interface to interact with it. You use code. Um, but like there is an interface there always is. So I don't know. I actually realized I had difficulty explaining this. So it's like code first, but usually there's some management panel where you can mess around. Um, But like the primary way of putting data in and out is by making API calls, right? Gavin: That's super cool. Yeah, Shawn: looks really good. I want to try it Elysse: when people use cool words like radical in their Copy Gavin: radical needs to come back more. I say rad a lot, but I don't I don't like full name it I need a radical more Shawn: Radicalize Gavin: radicalize Elysse: radical. If someone has like radical behavior, you're like, they were radical. Shawn: Wow. I never [00:41:00] used that. I'd be like, settle down, boomer. I do say rat a lot. And like, I think it might date me a little bit. Definitely. Or, Gavin: or it's going to come full circle and they can be like, damn, that guy knows what's up. My family hates it when I say clutch. They're like, can you please, please stop? Well, yeah, that was a very Shawn: specific period in time. Yeah. What are the kids saying these days? Elysse: They're saying, I put it in actually one of the links this, this week, the second link that we opened the, uh, like the domain was the WTF one. And I said the best domain ever, no cap and no cap, like no cap. That's like a kid. That's a new Shawn: one. Yeah. And I remember Googling Elysse: it last week and knowing what it meant last week. But I forgot, I think it's like, I think it means like for real or like, Yeah, what does it mean, Gavin? Gavin: Yeah, it means, no cap means no lie or for real. Elysse: For real. Gavin: Yeah, no cap. No cap. Interesting. So if someone is [00:42:00] capping, they are lying. Elysse: Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And drip apparently is something. Oh yeah, that's like, Shawn: like bling. Elysse: No, it's not. Yeah, it's like, drip is apparently what, like it's just. Oh no, not drip, Bev. It's Bev. Bev is apparently any kind of like, uh, any kind of like, like it's, it's bevving out, it's like, it's raining. Gavin: Oh, like any kind of like liquid related topic? Isn't Elysse: that the stupidest thing you've ever heard? Gavin: I, you know, what's funny is like, I can just imagine like a younger generation listening to this. I don't know, like our, our listenership, but they're like, they're just sighing in their car going like, this is so cringey. They don't know what no cap is, you know? That feels so old Elysse: right now. Gavin: We're literally Googling it and people are like, they're just like, you guys are so lost. Elysse: Yeah. We should wrap on that. Gavin: Um, no cap, Elysse: a little early one today. Go, uh, give everybody back some time. Um, [00:43:00] yeah, I guess if anybody has swag recommendations, put them in our, in a comment section, um, we I was telling Sean last week, somebody actually commented on one of our videos and corrected, they're fact checking us now. Shawn: Oh, shit. Cause we were talking about like That's what I'm so surprised. This happens all the time in our thousands of comments. Elysse: We were talking about the Rivian charger and someone actually popped in and gave us a little fact check there, which I appreciated. Um, Gavin: well, thank you listener. I don't know who it was, so. Elysse: But yeah, put your swag recommendations in the comments. Gavin: We should, uh, we should, we should like up the ante and be like, if you give us a good recommendation that we actually end up using, maybe we'll send you some swag. Oh, like a hat or I don't know, something neat. Something Sean socks. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: Uh, there's websites for that. Peace out. Gavin: All right. Bye. Bye.