September 17, 2024
In this weeks episode, we take a good chunk of the episode to chat Apple's 'Glowtime' event, and we give you our honest thoughts. We dig into most of their announcements, delving into the new iPhone features, AirPod 4s, and general expectations from Apple products moving into the next few years. All in all, we're quite honest with our review. We touch on a surprising story about a Navy officer installing unauthorized Starlink satellites on a warship, an innovative wildfire detection tool that uses social media for early wildfire warning signs, and finally, we discuss California's new AI legislation which is aimed at safety. To wrap up, we explore the capabilities of the new DJI selfie drone (which Gavin already bought) and critique the practicality of foldable phones (which are so lame). 00:00 Welcome to the Internet Podcast 00:36 Cat Shirts and Timu Shopping 03:03 Tech Talk: Gadgets and Audio 03:49 Smart Glasses Demo 08:30 Memory Anchor and Augmented Reality 11:46 Apple Event Reactions 13:59 Camera Quality and Consumerism 23:35 AirPods and Hearing Innovations 27:32 Excitement Over AirPods and Future Predictions 28:43 Debate on AirPods Max and Bluetooth Issues 31:52 Unauthorized Starlink on a Navy Warship 35:48 California's AI Safety Bill 42:57 Innovative Wildfire Detection Technology 50:20 DJI Neo: The Selfie Drone 54:35 Foldable Phones: A Controversial Innovation 57:00 Conclusion and Sign-Off Links from this week Apple event - here Starlink link - here Wildfire detector - here Ai safety bill - here DJI Neo - here Find us elsewhere: Shawn: https://x.com/nerdburn Gavin: https://x.com/geekforbrains Input: https://x.com/inputlogic Stilo: https://stilo.ai Wanna build an app together? Hit us up https://inputlogic.ca
Elysse: [00:00:00] I'm really happy I didn't record that. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. The, the countdown, the mouth Elysse: noises, Gavin: I know the countdown makes it official. So that's, Oh, we're recording. Oh, Hey, we are recording. Good Elysse: morning. Gavin: Good morning, internet. Elysse: Good morning. It's been a minute, a hot minute. Gavin: Yeah. We almost canceled again today. Cause Sean thought he had a meeting, but then he didn't. And I was like, Oh, if we have to cancel, you got to break it to at least cause I'm not, we are Elysse: your meeting. We are the priority. Shawn: So are we potting on Wednesdays now? Wednesdays, 10 a. m. Elysse: No, I just don't like to do it on Tuesdays after a long weekend. It's a little too abrasive. It's like too much has happened and like, I'd like to ease into the week better than that. Shawn: Yeah, Tuesdays have been feeling off anyway. It's been hard to do on Tuesdays. Let's try Wednesdays. Elysse: We could. Yeah, Tuesdays are getting busy. Shawn: Yeah. I don't know. Gavin: They are. I think my Wednesdays are normally pretty good. This is good podcast material, by the way, us checking our calendar and confirming when we're going to do the podcast [00:01:00] listeners are like, Oh my Elysse: God. People like scheduling convos. Yeah. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. Let me open up my Apple calendar. Everybody just hold on for a sec here. You Elysse: know how many people buy calendars off Etsy? Like custom calendars and stuff. It's like a market. You know, what I bought Gavin: off of Etsy is, um, well, a couple, Well, lots of things. Um, but more recently I heard someone talking about like artists that would make, um, not gift cards, like a birthday cards or yeah, gift cards, whatever. Right. And like, you go to like, I don't know, in Canada here, like London drugs or whatever, and you get like the pretty generic shitty cards. But, um, if you look on Etsy and there's a bunch of people doing it with like crappy AI stuff right now, but if you look for like the proper artists, they have really quirky, fun. Uh, cards and we'll do some custom stuff and they're not, they're not super expensive and ship to cheap or cheap to ship and, uh, they're great. So anyway, that's like my new thing. I feel like you give someone a card that you've bought from Etsy and it has like that textured paper. It clearly looks like art and you give it to [00:02:00] them. They're like, Holy shit, this is cool. Like it just feels more than like a crappy, like London drugs like here. I didn't really think this hard, you know, anyway. Highly recommend. Go check out, uh, go check out some cool birthday cards on Etsy. Elysse: Cardstock. Just wait till you get a Cricut and then you'll start making your own cards. Gavin: Yeah, could happen. Probably. There's, I mean, we just did buy a 3D printer for the office for science. Elysse: And, um, yeah, Gavin: that's, that's going to be fun. I'm definitely not going to print obscene paraphernalia and place it around the office for people to find. Elysse: Should we, should we, is that a thing that Gavin bought? Should we do that next week? Cause I have things like Gavin bought this week, but maybe we do 3D printer next week. Gavin: I guess technically I did buy it, but it was in concert with Sean and our joint approval of office equipment that we should be aware of and test. Elysse: What are we going to print? Other than, Stuff that you want to hide around the office. Gavin: Actually, we want to do some logos cause we're doing like this, uh, van build stuff. And I don't know if we want to get deep into that. I'll leave it up to Sean, but, uh, we want to [00:03:00] do some like, uh, 3d logo badge stuff that we might like either put on the vehicles or other branding with it. Um, so we're going to explore some ideas there. Elysse: Cool. That sounds fun. Shawn: Just to note on birthday cards, uh, having a three year old is like the perfect way to never buy a card. Cause you can just be like, Riley make so and so a card. And then she, I don't know, will scribble on a page and, uh, and people are like, Oh, Riley made me a card. You can only do that for so long though, until it becomes like a dick Elysse: move. Gavin: Well, I'm looking forward to my birthday with Sean. She's like 15. Just says happy Elysse: birthday. Um, speaking of kids doing cute things, our neighbor, I've told this story before, but it was very sweet. She, they have a dog. His name's Slash, which is like a cool dog name. Um, and him and Ash, like, aren't best friends yet. But, I'm sure they'll become friends, but he's like a lot of energy. [00:04:00] Anyways, she's little, she's two, going on three. And when they walk down the hallway, her and Nash, they're eye level. And it's just like, very sweet, cause she just stares at him. And Nash is like, pretty aloof to the whole world, but she gives him treats. And so he's like, wow, this is like, really sweet. The coolest little person ever. So they've created this like sweet little elevator bond and uh, it's very cute and um last week They I guess went to one of the like sunflower farms up in Pemberton and brought him three sunflowers She was like mom. I want to get Nash flowers, which was very sweet and then uh left them at the door for us and um Yeah, it was super cute. And the next day I got her a little dog. It's like a stuffed animal dog that looks like Nash and apparently she like sleeps with it every night and puts like a leash on it. Oh my gosh, that's cute. That's adorable. Adorable. And she'll show people and go, it's my friend Nash. And I'm like, it's a little weird that I got you a stuffed animal of my dog and not of your [00:05:00] dog. Yeah, totally. Shawn: Um, yeah. I typed during your story there, I didn't mean to distract, but Elevator Bond is like kind of a great band name. Elevator Bond it is. Elysse: Yeah, it really is. Okay, let's jump into, I'm going to share my screen. Is it worth going over our new little format that we're going to do? Shawn: I've got it open in another window, so I think we can just like wing it and do it. Elysse: Let's wing it, but I think we're gonna try for more structure instead of just being haphazard like we were in What I'm gonna call season one Gavin: Nice. Oh now we're dialing it up pressures on dialing Elysse: it up. Gavin: All right. I'll start trimming my nose here Speaking of trimming nose hair, do you, like, total segue, but do you know there's like these plug things that you can stick in your nose that are like sticky, like wax, you let it dry and you rip them out? Two of my friends have done this and they are absolutely insane. I'm like, that looks like torture. What is wrong with you? Elysse: Are you going to do it? Gavin: Yes, obviously. Elysse: For [00:06:00] science. Gavin: For science. Should I do it on the podcast next hour? I'll like put them in my nose, mute and rip them out. No, I really don't want to, I don't want to do that. I Shawn: kind of want to see it, but, um, I actually have a nose hair trimmer. It's like a little, you stick it up there and turn it around and it just Gavin: like does, I have one of those. That seems like a more sophisticated way of doing it. Elysse: Can I ask how we got here? Gavin: I don't know. Um, oh, you were talking about season two. Being, I was like, Oh, we have to be more dialed in. And I should, because we're on camera. I got to trim my nose hair. Well, that's the first thing that came to my nose hair now. Shawn: Okay. Gavin: All right. Shawn: You know what is probably the greatest risk to my life, uh, at this point in time is, um, after I turned 40, I started to get your hairs, like there's hairs, you know, and anyway, my wife can't stand them. And so she's like, I'll be driving. And she's like, Oh, I see an ear hair. And she just like magically produces some tweezers and will like, get it, you know? [00:07:00] Elysse: I'm trying to drive here. You know how much that hurts? Are they in, or are they just on the outside? Shawn: Um, Elysse: from what I can Shawn: tell, they're all over. They just show up, you know, like, it's not like I got fuzzy ears, but you know, there's a few little, little, little guys in there. Yeah. Little guys Elysse: in there. All right, well, Shawn: cool. Elysse: I know more about both of you than I probably should. Gavin: between Sean's ear hair and my nose hair. Let's, uh, I think it's time for Elon Musk. What's up? What's up with Elon here? . I'm sure Elon has ear hair a hundred percent. Oh, for sure he does. Yeah. Elysse: Um, yeah. Uh. I like immediately said, for sure, in the most Canadian way, and then I thought of that story. Yeah, for sure, but. Shawn: Oh, boy. Oh, man. Quick, say something American. Elysse: X officially moved to, uh, Texas. So, uh, Twitter is [00:08:00] out of the Bay Area as of last week. Completely up and left. Gavin: Is this surprising to anybody? I'm surprised it took this long. Like for them to be in the Bay Area and Elon constantly bitching about California and the mayor or whatever they're called, uh, is like, you know, was it the last straw or is it just him? Like using it as news? I feel like it's the latter. Elysse: I don't know, but can we talk about California mayor first? Cause that's a great band name. And also California doesn't have a mayor. Gavin: Or meant not, not to California, uh, San Francisco. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Shawn: You Gavin: know what? I Shawn: don't know anything about that drama except that like, like many cities across North America, it's overrun by, um, addicts and homeless people and San Francisco. Yeah. It smells like pee everywhere you go, but Elysse: it's not why they're moving. They're moving to Texas for tax reasons. Right. That's the pull of this. Gavin: I assume, uh, like in this article that we're talking about, it sounds like the last straw was his, uh, disagreement about, um, gender normalities and notifying the [00:09:00] parents or something in, in school. I'm like, what, what does it matter? Like, I actually was confused on what the issue was here. Like, is he upset that they made it illegal for teachers to tell parents what the students identified gender is or the opposite? You know what I mean? Like Elysse: he's like already just an asshole when it comes, like he has a trans. Oh yeah. He's got a transphobia stuff going on. Yeah. Like he's no bueno for any positivity towards the LGBTQ plus community. Um, but I, I also think that he's leaving for tax reasons. Like I think there, cause I think space X also moved from California to Texas. So everything is now just an Austin. Shawn: Wow, I think I do think california has some of the highest taxes in america Yeah, um, they're right up there with canadian taxes Elysse: Do you know what? I love about this? Uh, is that you guys know exactly what i've [00:10:00] been googling the last couple days Nespresso machines. Shawn: Yeah, the the shopping. Oh, is that oh, yeah. Yeah. Are you shopping for a nespresso? i'm a fan of the nespresso compared to the keurig and The other one Elysse: Ours just died. It's our second in like three years and I think I've decided to not get a new one Um, but I was looking at them because they're on sale. It's like back to school sales, I guess I Shawn: mean your nespresso died like specifically that brand. Yeah And they've both been Elysse: nespressos in the last two years. So I don't know if it's like a nespresso thing We also didn't use it that much. But anyways, I digress Shawn: I have this like Are there class lines around which coffee maker you buy in the sense that like, like I put a Keurig in my Airbnb and I felt embarrassed about it. Um, I feel like Keurig is like the. Elysse: The Walmart version? He was literally just about to say the Walmart Shawn: version. Yeah, [00:11:00] yeah, whereas Nespresso is like, Oh, I want a coffee pod machine, but like, I want it to be a little upscale, but I don't want to make my own espresso. Elysse: Yeah, yeah. I think it's probably just marketing, good marketing, than anything. I do think the coffee Shawn: tastes better, though. It has a better crema. Elysse: And it might be George Clooney. Isn't that his thing? His Nespresso? I think he's the Nespresso Nespresso guy. Shawn: Yeah, I mean, George Clooney, he's a desirable man. Elysse: Yeah. Shawn: Yeah. It's, Elysse: well, maybe like, five, five years ago. Oh, okay, what happened in the last five years I'm unaware of? I think he's like 75 now, is he not? Shawn: Oh. Elysse: No? Shawn: Well, I have no idea. Elysse: Not that there's like, Actually, I'm not even going to go there. Nevermind. Gavin: All right. Moving on quick. Yeah. Elon, thanks for being a anti, whatever it is that you're anti about. Elysse: Fucking asshole. Gavin: Yeah. There's a name for that. My, I've heard my friends use it before about the [00:12:00] lady that wrote Harry Potter, cause she's like, and Elysse: transphobic. No, but there's, Gavin: there's like a, uh, like an acronym and it's like a, it's like a heat word for transphobic people. I won't say it. I don't, I can't remember what it is, but this like, Oh yeah. It's like, you know, like short, like NATO or something. It's not NATO obviously, but you know what I mean? It's, it kind of sounds like that. Anyway. Yeah. Elysse: I don't know. Wait, I don't know what you're thinking of. Um, Katara shared this last week, Apple's iPhone 16 launch set for September. I think they always do that in September, but yeah, Gavin: happening almost inevitably Shawn: when I used to get excited about these. It's been so long since I've been excited about these. Yeah, I mean I feel like phones are becoming like washing machines um like You go into best buy and you see the array of washing machines and they all have the same features They all look about the same um You want them to do certain things? Like, really, I buy an Apple, I [00:13:00] guess, because I have some brand allegiance to Apple. Actually, I had a Pixel. It's been, I had a Pixel 3, and I think they're on like 10 now. But, um, I did think the iPhone was better. Like, I had a, I had a Pixel for when I was in the U. S., and an iPhone for when I was in Canada. Um, just to be bougie that way. And, uh, that's it. I prefer the Apple. So it's more than just like the brand that I think Apple has going on, but really like, it's been a long time since we've seen any major, like step change in functionality or features or, um, I even got the iOS 18 beta expecting some like rad AI stuff and, uh, it really just wasn't that exciting. Gavin: Yeah, it's, it's been pretty limited. They did say in the beta notes, I don't know if you read them, that not everything's available and they're rolling it out slowly, like in chunks. So I have noticed like one or two things show up, like the Apple notes, math thing started working. And then the Siri context started working just last week, actually, where you can ask follow up [00:14:00] questions. Um, I don't think it is hooked up to chat GPT yet, but it does have the context where I don't have to say like, Hey again, and then it doesn't know what I talked about previously. So that's been nice, but pretty minimal. Um, but, but I agree, like, the announcements for phones have just been like, less exciting, but I was actually chatting with someone in our office about this not too long ago, and we're trying to determine if that's a bad thing or not, or if we've reached the point where refinement and stability and like, incremental just like, improvements in day to day are the better thing. Coming back to like, the washing machine. Analogy like I don't feel like every year. I want my washing machine to be vastly different I want it to slowly get more and more dialed into like my day to day use and of course be faster Which they are but like big sweeping changes like that stupid folding phone that everybody's excited about that thing's a piece of shit Like keep the phones the same improve them. Yes. Add little features like the AI stuff, but like, I don't need the phone to be any different. Like so far, like it could [00:15:00] be a tiny bit smaller. Sure. I don't have the plus of the standard, but like, other than that, is there really much to change here? Elysse: That's a good question. I do think that there is a difference between us phone, like North American phone markets and European phone markets watching the Olympics. So many people had that stupid Samsung flip phone, the one that you're talking about. But I also think it's because phone plans overseas and in most parts of the world are substantially less than they are in North America. Um, and I think phones cost less. I'm making an assumption, but I can only imagine that phone costs cost less, right? Like you have probably more money to spend on. a trial weird Samsung that Screen folds in half Gavin: Right and to Elysse: use it for a year and be like, wow, this phone was absolute garbage And then they have room Gavin: to like explore is what you mean. It's not such a significant. Um, [00:16:00] Investment or is like in canada here fucking iphone 16 is gonna cost me 1500 bucks Elysse: so much money. It's a little computer Gavin: Yeah, well it really is Elysse: Yeah Um, you can get these ones in bronze Transcribed I don't know if that's a thing people want. Hey, that's cool. I'm into bronze. Shawn: Yes. Of course, I'm actually like, I got this color of iPhone, the, I don't know, like titanium gray or something. I like it. This is actually the nicest iPhone I've ever owned. Even though the, um, lenses are chunky. Like, Elysse: would you guys get the bigger screen, like the big, big, no, Gavin: hard. No, I did one year and it was the worst year of my life. Shawn: Okay. Gavin: If they don't come out with an Shawn: iPhone 14 size iPhone, I'm going to continue to bitch about it. Gavin: Yeah, no, seriously buying that phone. Like I don't have big hands. Probably can't tell in this camera, but like, this is the iPhone 15. standard size. For me to like, [00:17:00] lay in bed and reach stuff with my thumb is damn near impossible. It's hard. When I had the plus, I felt like I had to stand up out of bed to reach the icons that I wanted to click. It was ridiculous. Elysse: I can't text on with one finger, like with one thumb on this one. I Gavin: know. What about us small people, Apple? I don't have big hands. Elysse: Help me out here. Not Shaquille Gavin: O'Neal. Elysse: Need to get the little phone, the one that Sean used to have that was cracked to shit, that one. If they came Shawn: out with like the SE but with like the latest chip and it'd be fast and had a nice camera, it'd be so dope. Elysse: Yeah, just a little guy. Anyways, September 9th. Gavin: I'm excited for it. I usually upgrade every year just because it's part of our job to be aware of hardware. So. I'll be honest that I'm Shawn: always less excited about it. 'cause I'm just like, yeah, whatever. I mean, maybe that's part of the lack of excitement. We get a new phone every year. Yeah. We just always kinda like, because you guys Elysse: get every year without a doubt. Well, it's Gavin: literally our job. Like we run a software [00:18:00] company that builds iPhone apps like , I Elysse: guess. So I just, I've never considered that. Every year you guys do that. Shawn: Yeah, I don't do it every year. Sometimes I hold out, like I usually do it every year. I held out for a number of years because the phones kept getting bigger and I didn't want a bigger phone. And then last year I caved and got the 15 Pro. Elysse: Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. Well, phones, Gavin: phones. Elysse: Um, strange noises are coming from the inside of Boeing's Starliner spacecraft. And there's a lot of like interesting stuff going on with the Starliner. Gavin: I'm really curious about this. Like I'll let you continue in a sec, but total like context for me. I just started previously. I read the book, um, uh, Project Hail Mary. I forget the, oh yeah. So good name. Anyways, uh, I just started reading his other book, which may have come before or after called The Martian. So like when you, when you sent this article and I was reading it, I was like, oh my God. Like this is like right in, it's like inside my head right now. Yeah, yeah. So cool, so cool. Sorry, I just wanted to add to that, Elysse: I guess the like, um, uh, TLDR on this one [00:19:00] is Boeing. And please correct me if either of you know the difference, like if I'm off base here, Boeing was creating the star liner and the star liner was competition to space X. So it was going to be taking astronauts tuned from the ISS, uh, just like the, Dragon and whatever other SpaceX rockets were doing that. Um, but they, the Starliner got the astronauts there and then there was a hydrogen leak that was found in the capsule. And on reentry, there could be some problems. And so Boeing was scrambling to try and figure out if they could get them back. And they were only supposed to be up there for like six days or something. And now they're up there for six months and they're not going back to 2025. And it's like a whole thing. And I'm sure when they come back, they're going to be like multimillionaires from. You know, having to be in space for six months and not have expected that. But I guess now there, there's some audio with this clip. Um, we'll share the link in all of our descriptions so that you can listen to it. But it's, they're hearing these like [00:20:00] really weird sonar pings that are coming from star liner and they have no idea where they're coming from. Shawn: I saw a tweet. I won't. I can't give them credit cause I forget who it was, but they said it's probably some engineer's shitty front end react app that like has some kind of use effect that just, that's Gavin: really funny. You know, what's funny is like, um, the dragon, something, whatever is, is that SpaceX, isn't it? Yeah. Isn't I, and I could be wrong, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the Starliner. Like you said, got them there, but they're worried that won't get them back. So they're actually going to be picked up by the dragon wing or whatever the hell it's called, which is funny because like Boeing's like, Oh no, we got this. Like, we're gonna, we're gonna do it better than SpaceX. And they're like, Oh, whoops. Uh, sorry, you're there for six months. And now SpaceX is going to go pick you up. Yeah. Elysse: It's like a real bad love for Boeing. Isn't Boeing Shawn: like just really taking it in the press too, because, um, What was that [00:21:00] aircraft that they had to ground? Oh, the 747s. Yeah. Gavin: Was Shawn: it? Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: The MCAS system, which is why they grounded it. Yeah. Yeah. Shawn: My friend was a pilot on that. Oh, no way. Yeah. So, I mean, it seems like, like Boeing is the, um, our generation's example of like corporate bloat. They've lost the plot somehow. It's like they actually can't make good products anymore or something. And, and there's just like a thousand layers of middle management and they've been surviving on government contracts for decades and like, it's pretty interesting to see. Didn't Gavin: they lose the contract with the, was it the military or us or something? I thought they lost a big contract. Something like that. I should also quickly clarify. I said, my friend was on that plane, not the one that went down. He was flying those planes with air Canada. He's fine. Elysse: Um, yeah, there's like a bunch of stuff with Boeing. So I think their CEO was recently, he recently stepped down. They have somebody new in charge who's taking the brunt of all this [00:22:00] media scrutiny, bad stuff. But there's also been a bunch of whistleblowers, uh, come out and Say that safety has been overlooked in manufacturing of aircrafts in the last few years And um, I think like one of them even died like weird in a weird way With after like while he was on trial for some of this whistleblowing stuff. So Gavin: oh like like Shenanigans happened. Elysse: Yeah, like good old russian like he fell off a balcony kind of stuff. Um, But yeah boeing Super rough. Did you guys give this a try? I Gavin: did. Dear god, so bad. Moving on. I actually kind of Elysse: thought it was fun. Okay, so, I sent, um, Sean and Gavin a link to try, um, it's called openhome. xyz Zed? XYZ? Um, your custom AI voice interface [00:23:00] and AI voice control for every device. Effortlessly integrate open homes conversational voice SDK to any platform. I have to admit right off the jump, I can't get open phone off of Shawn: Yeah, me too. My head when I Similar, similar branding too. And like, Elysse: I don't think they're related, right? No. They're so They're not? Shawn: Oh, I mean, I'm just assuming they're not, but um, this thing was painful to listen to. I didn't even try it. I just heard Gavin trying it and I was like, can you please stop? Yeah, it was actually really good. I Elysse: kind of liked it. I thought it was fun. Shawn: Really? What did it do for you? Did it accomplish anything you asked it to? I Elysse: don't know. Maybe I was like, I've been home alone for too long and I was like, I'm talking to someone. It's so nice. Gavin: It did have like a good linguistic voice for sure. Like when I was talking, it was articulate and somewhat intelligent, but like not helpful. Like I was expecting it to be like, just play some music. And I was going to be like, tell me about the lyrics. You're like, what other songs like this could I play? And [00:24:00] like, it just did not. work. I just was having a hard time. Elysse: It was also very clunky. Like that's the one thing that I can certainly say about it. It's not very smooth. You would like say something and then it would interrupt you like a few minutes later on the last few points that you were on. But I still thought it was kind of neat. Gavin: It was neat. It also didn't work in Safari. I had to switch to Chrome. It would start like the first sentence and cut out. And then I was like, oh, okay, maybe it's using like some new Um, tech tech that like Safari doesn't officially support and it worked great in Chrome. So if you're trying it out, uh, definitely try it in Chrome, not Safari. Elysse: It is a nice website. They did a really good job. It is Gavin: nice. And it probably took a lot of work. It is interesting. I'm excited to see like voice AI stuff becoming more common. And I would love to like have more conversational stuff with like my Google home at home, not just for like, play this music, but also have context, long form information, better context window. You know what I mean? I'm excited for that to happen. And it is, but we're not there yet. But this Elysse: is exactly what Apple was doing with their [00:25:00] most, wasn't that the iOS 18 or whatever? Yeah. Isn't this like very similar? Yeah. Shawn: I don't think any of these services are there yet. Like even chat GPT 4. 0, if you use the voice mode, it's just not nice to talk to. Um, I find you can't interrupt it and it's not situationally aware. Like if Gavin: it, Shawn: uh, if you ask it a question, it doesn't give you like a nice succinct answer like a human would. And then, you know, like, if I say, um, what is a dog, you would say, oh, a dog is like a common pet that people have. You don't know what a dog is? You know? Um, you wouldn't say, uh, oh, the canine, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, is a species of, uh, land mammal that has four legs. You know what I mean? Like, nobody talks like that. And then if you started on that tirade and I interrupted you, like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like, you wouldn't just continue with your scientific analysis of what a dog is.[00:26:00] Elysse: Some people are like that though, but I get what you're saying. There are people out there that are like that. Gavin: And to clarify, you can't vocally interrupt. They did add a feature now in chat mode where it's like a big button. You can say like stop or pause or whatever. So it like, or interrupt, I think is actually what they call it. So it's not like actually stopping it. It's more saying like, hey, just pause. Like I'm going to say something else. But I, you're right, Sean, in that I'd love it to be like, I'd be like, no, no, no. Like, let me, and then if I start talking again, it stops talking and just listens to what I'm saying. Yeah. Elysse: So really we just want to be able to interrupt our AI. Yeah. To represent. Yeah. Okay. Gavin: Well, like you said, the long form content, there is, there is a hack though, and you can either do it when you start, but also in, um, in Chat GPT has, um, like your preferred settings where you can go in, like every chat should start this way. And you can tell it to always give you concise answers, like a sentence or less, [00:27:00] unless you say otherwise. And that's the way I have mine set up. So it does give me short, concise answers. And then I'll say, expand on that or tell me more or whatever, and then it'll go into it. So you, you can say like what your style of preference is, but you still can't interrupt it. Elysse: Hmm. I mean, Maybe that's like the lesson for humans, you know, let it finish first. Gavin: No, that's a waste of time. Elysse: Yeah. But I guess with like other humans, we don't do that. You know, you try and like, let me interrupt you all the time. That's true. I guess. Shawn: I think I'm getting old. Like people watch videos to get answers to things. I would still prefer to read like a text. Like, if I say like, how do I change a light bulb? I want like a bullet point list of step one, do this, step two, do this. I don't want to watch a video of some guy changing a lightbulb, like that'll take five minutes, whereas I can read the text in 30 seconds. Elysse: That sounds like kind of Gen Z of you to be [00:28:00] like, I want to digest stuff so quickly, you know, but like kind of the opposite. It's like, I want to, do you know what I'm saying is like Gen Zers are like, I don't have time for this. Like show me a Tik Tok. But you're like, I don't have time for this. I wanna use my eyes to, I have, get the, I have Shawn: time for TikTok. I want the like summarized bullet point version of the TikTok. Elysse: Yeah, that's fair. Gavin: I think like it's contextual though, but I, I totally agree. For the most part, I am, I hate YouTube videos and I'll like, I'll quickly fast forward. I'm like, I don't care how you set it up, I don't care who you are. Like, just can you please tell me just the things. Um, so I'll usually do it at like double speed and skip forward and all that. Anyways. Um, but. Some things are just easier visually seen rather than written. So for example, I've been practicing this DJ set that I'm going to be doing at my kids elementary school for like, it's like a party thing. Right. And normally I mix like house and techno, which is relatively easy, really, unless you want to get super fancy, but mixing pop music doesn't have good intros and outros, the BPMs, which is the [00:29:00] speed of it is all over the place. So it's really hard to mix from song to song without it sounding like crap. So I've been watching videos on like techniques. If I were to read those, I'd be like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Like, I need to hear it and see it in order to understand like how this is done. Right. So in that case, if, if like I read an article, I'd be like, yeah, that was, that was not helpful in the least. That's Elysse: interesting. I don't know how, I think I prefer to have all of my information just given to me. I'll ask Pete, like yesterday when I was like, what's this Dr. Bell thing? I just want someone to tell me sometimes. Shawn: Is Elysse: that just being a brat? I just want to know, you know? Shawn: Yeah. I sent her let me google that for you and then I felt like a jerk. Elysse: Do you know what's funny though? Is I read it and I was like I know exactly what this is and then I clicked on it and I was like wow I forgot how slow and like obnoxious this is once you click on them. It's like more insulting how long it takes. Well Shawn: and I didn't read the meta description of that website. It's like when your co workers are annoying and ask you questions [00:30:00] you don't want to answer. I was like oh whoops. Elysse: Totally valid. I ask a lot of questions. Okay, moving on, uh, Shawn: Oh, I'm so excited for these. So I didn't bring them. And so we will review them next week. So far. They look super dapper and dope. I like the way I look when I wear them. The, the little like white display that shows up like this, these photos are not an accurate representation of the frame itself, because you can see the little screen inside the glass. And just Elysse: so listeners know what we're talking about, it's, uh, Brilliant Labs, um, frame glasses. So Sean ordered these like seven years ago and just got them like two weeks ago, maybe a week and a half ago? Yeah, like last Shawn: week. Yeah. Elysse: Last week. So he's been playing around with them, uh, doesn't have them today. We'll do a proper review next week. Shawn: Yeah, now you can Elysse: continue. [00:31:00] Shawn: So the, my one gripe so far, I hate to start with a gripe, is that it doesn't out of the box let me take a photo with it. Um, and I've been kind of thinking about that and like their sort of thesis is there for hackers, like you can, um, they have an API, you can hack on it, um, you can build apps and one of the first things, like if you look up, like, how do I take a picture with this? there's a tutorial on making an app to take photos and store them on AWS, you know? Um, so my guess is they didn't want to spin up an app to store people's photos and make them like, that's a whole nother product, you know? Um, so they're like, nope, it doesn't take pictures out of the box. You have to make yourself a, an app to do that. Um, so I thought that was kind of strange, but at the same time, I am excited to do the tutorial and make the app that. Can take pictures and do stuff with them. That's Elysse: really interesting. Shawn: Yeah, and then [00:32:00] the main thing it seems to do right now is describe the environment you're looking at. It's like you upload a picture to ChatGPT and ask it what it's seeing, you know, like you can say What am I looking at right now? And then the little, like, text will scroll on your Elysse: screen. A dog, a land mammal. Exactly, yeah. Shawn: It's like, um, like a lot of these AI products, I haven't found like a use for it yet. Um, but for some reason, like the form factor of this and the fact that it's totally hackable, there's an API. Um, I don't know, like I'm still excited to engage with it. I'm not at the like rabbit R1 phase where I'm like, this thing is just a piece of plastic. You know? Yeah. You'll hear more from me next week on it, because I'm actually going to mess with it this week. Elysse: Okay, question then. Uh, which you might not have the answer to. Is there, like, a microphone? Like, can you hear anything from it? Shawn: No, it doesn't. Um, all the, all the feedback is on the little [00:33:00] screen. Elysse: Okay. And you, there's, so there's no mic at all. Like, you're, you don't even, like, you don't use words to, to communicate. Oh, you talk to it. You talk to it. Yeah, so. But it doesn't talk back. It doesn't talk back. I don't know why I want it to talk back. So Shawn: you like, tap it to engage it, and then you tap it to end. Okay. So, um, you go like, uh, tap, tap. Is it one tap or two? Anyway, I think it's one tap. So you go like, tap. What am I looking at right now? And then you'll see the little like, thinking, thinking. Interesting. And then it's like, that's a pile of laundry on a sofa. You know, like. Huh. Elysse: Huh. Yeah, interesting. So like use cases, that's a valid question at this stage. Shawn: If it could identify plants or something, you know, or like, um, I find the AIs aren't great at that yet. But, um, yeah, I haven't found any interesting use cases for it yet. In the future, like, um, you know what I want to do is go kind of browse the projects people are [00:34:00] creating with it. One person created, like, a way to document and take notes on your entire life, so it's just like always on recording and streaming to somewhere and then having ChatGBD, like, summarize the content and give you, you know, like, it's kind of neat, like a continuous always on journal experience. Elysse: These don't feel, and I could be wrong, uh, with this assumption, but these don't feel super inclusive at this stage for people who have prescriptions. Like this seems like it's a product for people who either wear contacts or don't have vision problems. I can't imagine that you can change the lenses out of this, right? Cause there's, I think there was an Shawn: option when I purchased to get it in my prescription. Interesting. Okay. So Bobak, the, one of the founders of, uh, wears prescription glasses and um, I imagine that was a consideration early on. Elysse: I gotta see this. Shawn: Oh interesting, it just goes to the payment. I thought for sure it asked me if I had a prescription [00:35:00] when I ordered it and I intentionally chose the non prescription ones because I wanted people in the office to be able to play with them. Elysse: Let's see, I'm curious, because that feels really, um, Click that prescription lens. Okay. Yes, okay Okay, so you can get lenses to fit blah blah blah. Okay, so you would have to put the lens. It sounds like there's two lenses Shawn: Interesting Elysse: if your optician is willing to bond this lens to the optic then you can achieve a prescription frame independently So I think you it it's there's two lenses So there's a lens on the outside and the lens on the inside so you would just need to fit the lens on the outside That's really interesting. Gavin: Huh? That's kind of cool. Elysse: Yeah, it also sounds high risk if you were to break them. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah I mean, they're good price though. They're only 350 bucks, which is yeah compared to some other Devices, but I would like to try the meta glasses as well. Gavin: Yeah Shawn: [00:36:00] the I saw a guy using them and he took a photo of me just by talking to it and there's also a little speaker behind your ear on that one. Um, now like I, I like and support these brilliant guys. Um, they're a small team. They're doing something cool and like, um, dev forward. They're not a multi billion dollar like company, you know? So, uh, I hate to even compare them to the Metaglasses, but. Elysse: These really aren't that badly priced. No, 370. That's true. This is a flex. No, this is Canadian. Gavin: That's Canadian. Wow. Oh, it is. Yeah. Well, okay. That's pretty reasonable. Elysse: The amount of money that Ray Ban and Meta, I mean, Meta is like a money pit regardless, but seeing Brilliant Labs doing like a little independent thing, it makes sense that they don't have an app to support it. Cause the hardware was probably so expensive upfront, but like Ray Ban collab with. Meta dishes, like endless [00:37:00] money to have, you know what I'm saying? Like these are experience for these is going to be much better than it would be for brilliant labs being like a small independent guy, but Shawn: yeah, I'm rooting for brilliant labs. Elysse: Yeah. Ray Bans cool stuff. Um, okay. A couple of things that we, um, had in our code channel that people have tried. Uh, and Sean, there was something else that you posted yesterday that I'm going to grab that I think we should look at. Shawn: I have no idea what this lit. dev is. Gavin, do you know what this is? No, but I see web components, so. Elysse: Corey shared it. Let me find it. Shawn: Interesting. Elysse: Corey shared and said, tried and liked. Uh, let me find, let me find, let me find. Uh, he said, I have played with web components before, but this looks cool. I think it's the future for web components. And then him and Adrian riffed on it for a little bit. And, [00:38:00] uh, Shawn: Interesting. So it's, um, it's web components in like the native web components standard, which is just part of HTML and JavaScript. Like it's supported by the browser browsers out of the box. So it'd be like components that are not React, I think. Um, very interesting. Yeah, I haven't tried it at all, so I don't have any. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll mess with this. It looks fun. Elysse: Yeah, mess with it. Um, maybe we can try to put up more next week, but. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And then Sean, you shared this, this, uh, Vercel thing. VO. dev. Oh, yeah. I'm Shawn: excited to try this. So this is a, an AI. that creates interfaces. So think like front end code. Um, so I Gavin: thought they already had Shawn: this. Gavin: Wasn't it called something else? Shawn: Uh Gavin: This is by Vercel, isn't it? And you can essentially build apps by saying, like, just talking to an AI. [00:39:00] Shawn: I think they switched it up so that it's not about making a whole app. Like, this doesn't do the logic as far as I understand. It is a, um, they're focusing on the front end. So it's like, okay, make me like a screen that'll do, that looks like this. Elysse: Oh, I don't want to create an account. Shawn: Nice. Elysse: It's like right where they got you. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I want to combine this. Like I've seen people use this in their workflow with, um, cursor and composer. Um, They'll, like, make front end visual components, throw them into their cursor composer, and be like, make these work, hook them up to my API with these, um, constraints. And, uh, yeah, just part of, like, an AI based design workflow, I guess, in code. Gavin: Yeah, I want to try this out. I'm curious how good it is. I don't love tools that write code right now, because [00:40:00] it kind of reminds me of Dreamweaver back in the day, which makes me sound really old, because Dreamweaver hasn't been around for like 20 years. But, um, that's the vibe I get here. It's like, this is how you build shitty interfaces for people that don't know what they're doing. Elysse: Oh, ouch. Gavin: Yeah. I mean, it is. That's exactly what this is. It's fucking Dreamweaver in 2024. Elysse: Just like harsh though. You know, Shawn: imagine Dreamweaver comes back as an AI first product. Oh God. I mean, you're looking Gavin: at it. That's that's what, how is this different? Explain to me how that's different. Elysse: I don't, like, I don't see anything wrong with this, but I'm not a developer. So yeah, I, this is, I am the person that this is for. Okay. Um, couple of fun things that we can talk about that Gavin bought. Shawn: Sean bought one too. Elysse: Sean bought one too. I didn't, it arrived at Shawn: my house yesterday, but I haven't unboxed it. Elysse: It's, um, It's astonishing how quickly things arrive for Gavin and how slow [00:41:00] things arrive for Sean. It's crazy. What? Why is that? You guys bought them around the same time. Shawn: Yeah. I live in the country. I'm 10 minutes out of town. I feel like stuff gets to town and then they just never drive it to my house. That's Elysse: crazy to me. Shawn: Yeah. It's too much of a John. Elysse: Plantagotchi, so a plantagotchi is an AI smart planter. You put a little plant in it and then it gives you like a reaction when you have to water it or when it's watered enough. Didn't we talk Shawn: about it on the pod? Cause that's when we bought it. Elysse: Well, we talked about it, but I haven't actually released those episodes cause they were kind of bad. And, um, And boring. So now we're doing it again. Gavin: Well, we also just reviewed them, but we didn't, uh, or we didn't review it. We looked at it, but we hadn't bought them. And, um, my review so far is it's super fun. Uh, it does a pretty good job that like it, all the pictures and stuff. It does that. Like it, I was showing a picture on my phone. I don't know how well you can see it with like the glare and stuff, but that that's actually on my desk at [00:42:00] home. Nice. The glare. Anyways, um, very cute little guy. Uh, a couple of things. One, the battery life is awful. So you basically have to leave it plugged in. It lasts like eight hours or something. So I actually just have an HDMI, not HDMI, USB C coming from my laptop screen, the cinema display down to the Plantagotchi. So it's just permanently powered, which is fine. It's on my desk anyway. And I don't even notice now. So that, that kind of solved that, but the battery is awful. So The second thing is the planter, and it's not a big deal, is way smaller than it looks. Like, that looks big, but when you pull out the tiny little cup that that thing is supposed to live in, you're like, Oh dang, like this is, this is a tiny little thing. Because I went to the store and bought, like, this cute little plant, and yeah, I was like, This is like half the size of the container it came in. And I already thought this was a small plant, but I like that. It comes with a little white rocks. You put the soil in, you plant it and you fill it up with water. It measures like the pH level and the water [00:43:00] level, uh, the light ambient light, whether it's getting enough or too little. And what's cool in the app is when you set it up, the app asks you which kind of plant you have in there. So when you buy it, pay attention to what you're buying so you can add it to the app. But then the app knows what you're buying. That plant wants for light humidity or a moisture level, pH level, all that sort of stuff. Cool. So it guides you better knowing what's inside of it. And it's cute. Like my kids love it. They see the little face and like, Oh, it's happy. You're like, dad, you need to add water to it. It's unhappy or whatever, you know? Elysse: Um, do you think that it's like intuitive? Like, do you think it is giving you the right information? Like it knows, like, how is it doing this? How is it doing soil, like, When you pull the cup out, Gavin: it's got little sensors in it. Like the little cup that I planted it in, in the bottom, there's like four different like prongs that come out. And one of them is like sort of fabric y. One looks like, um, like a mesh thing. So it's obviously like drawing some stuff from it. Elysse: I guess what I'm asking is [00:44:00] like, is it AI or is it just a smart planter? Gavin: It's not AI. It's just a smart planter. It's measuring stuff based on algorithms. I wouldn't, I wouldn't call it AI. Elysse: They call it. I know it's, Gavin: that's for you to just be like, I mean, it's artificial and it's intelligent, so is it not AI? Like who's to say it's not AI? Elysse: It depends on what AI standards we're talking like, you know what I mean? Like Gavin: there's probably no neural network or LLM Shawn: built in, Gavin: but if it doesn't have enough water, it's sad. So then it shows me it's sad, which is, I would argue artificial intelligence. Elysse: Uh, yeah. That's actually fair. Gavin: Yeah. Anyway, I like it. It's cute. It's it's a bit pricey for the planter if it was like half that much I'd probably buy more of them around the house But the downside is you got to plug them in if you want it to be like face on like doing shit So that that's a caveat to not that I expected it to last like a year plugged in but like, you know How about a week? Elysse: Yeah, Gavin: yeah, it's a [00:45:00] little little short Elysse: Yeah, and you got the Yellow? Gavin: Yeah, I got the yellow one. Elysse: And Sean, what did you get? The pink? Purple? Gavin: I got the green. Oh, you got Elysse: green. Gavin: I like that one. Yeah, the green's nice. It's Elysse: cool. Um, cool. Okay. Well, that's fun. Uh, Plantacachi. Worldwide shipping. Today only. 50 percent off. Pretty sure it said that last time we were on this website too, so. Yeah, it said that three months ago when I bought Gavin: it. Elysse: Um, okay. This is a not. You haven't bought it, but it's an option for you to buy it if you want to. They're kind of cool. They're also, um, spectacles, AI glasses. They're actually called spectacles at spectacles. com. And that's the next generation of spectacles. Uh, create the world you want to see with spectacles. Our first pair of glasses that brings augmented reality to life, redefining how we interact with an overlay computing on the world. Gavin: Hmm. [00:46:00] Elysse: With end overlay of computing. Um, I don't see the point of these. I'll be really honest with you. I think they're kind of silly. Gavin: Yeah. I mean, I can just take mushrooms and have the same experience. Elysse: Valid, but like, you know, I don't know, unless like you have other people who have these same glasses. I just don't understand why this is. Why there's a need for this? Why do I need this? Gavin: It might be me getting old as well. This is probably what old people think about but like Sean, are we boring you? I'm like I'm more curious like do we need more distractions? Do I need glasses to show me more random shit other than my phone? It's like, oh, thank God. I put my phone down. Now let me look around and see more digital things around me that like really probably aren't that helpful to me. Elysse: There's no, there's nothing helpful about this. There's nothing, this is like a gluttonous, like information in my eyeballs. Like, there's nothing about this that I think is like valuable. Gavin: Yeah. You contrast it with like [00:47:00] those, um, I forget that even the name of it now, but the Apple like goggles, what the hell is it called? Um, Oh yeah. The vision Elysse: pro division Gavin: pro, like those similar, like you see the video of Casey and I said, walking around town and tripping on it and stuff, and it was hilarious, but like, I do see the practicality of it. If like you're in a small studio and you want like the screens around you and like people using it in actual like work environment and whatnot, and I'm very intrigued by that, they're a little big for that right now, but like if they advance that to be smaller, more performant, and I could sit down and like have an array of screens around me, information coming and going, you know what I mean? It's um, it's just better than like a tiny little laptop. Often I'm working on my, um, studio display, but like if I'm not, and I'm at. Not a coffee shop. I don't think I'd wear them at a coffee shop, but traveling in my hotel room, and I have a tiny little laptop, I'd much rather wear these goggles that let me see so much more and take in so much more when I'm actually trying to work, and then take them off when I'm done, much like [00:48:00] I'd close my laptop, then I'm like, okay, I'm finished. Like, I don't need to wear these everywhere. Elysse: The only problem with the Vision Pro is I feel like you're walking around with like a football helmet, you know, Gavin: totally Well that that's what I mean, like I'd be sitting it's not much different than me sitting here looking my laptop I'd sit on a couch or a chair or whatever and and still experience it just in like a broader range, which I find interesting Elysse: But like, my argument is at least with your laptop coming places with you, it slides into a backpack. Whereas like, your Vision Pro, you need a backpack for your Vision Pro. You know what I mean? Sure. And I don't feel silly Gavin: in a laptop or in a coffee shop with a laptop. I'd feel silly in a coffee shop wearing goggles and like, waving my hands everywhere. Elysse: Also, Sean, sorry for calling you out on your timing. No, Shawn: no, that's fine. I was off, I was, I was out of line. He's like, I'm done. He's like, let's wrap this up. I got, I got sucked into, uh, into work. Um, that's the problem with being in front of my computer while we're doing this. There's like gaps in conversation. I'm like, oh, what's happening in Slack? Um, Gavin: but, uh. There wasn't a gap, though. It was, it was, it was, uh. is tantalizing, uh, [00:49:00] communication. Maybe I'm just so bored by the, I'm not interested Shawn: in these snaps of our glasses at all, but, um, you know what? I don't want to put down people's work here. Like I think that the technologies we're applying to these tools are just kind of early and we're in the like mess around stage, you know, nobody has, this reminds me of, um, Does anyone remember the Compaq iPaq computer? It was like a handheld windows device with a full keyboard and like fully windows running on this thing. It was just ridiculous. I bought one and, um, I used it for a little while and I was just like, this thing is unruly. It can barely make a phone call. It's trying to run windows. Um, anyway, but then the iPhone came out and just blew my mind. I had had a Blackberry, this iPad thing, like pretty much every smartphone up to that point. And then iPhone came out and [00:50:00] it was revolutionary. I couldn't live Gavin: without Shawn: it. Gavin: I still remember that moment. Like it was in Parksville and you see here and like he had the iPhone and we were messing with it at a coffee shop. Yeah. It's like, this is Shawn: incredible. Totally. So I feel like all these smart glasses are people messing with the tech before. We've kind of figured out how to roll it all up into one Super useful life changing product. So I definitely don't want to like put down anyone's efforts or work Like I want this to continue. I want people to keep coming out with these Things and figuring out how to use this tack and Elysse: I think that's fair. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah We're still in the phase of the blackberries of spectacle glasses Yeah, Elysse: that's a sad comparison. Um, I don't know if my argument towards stuff like this is, I don't know if, and hopefully this happens in the near future, but I feel like tech moves so [00:51:00] quickly these days that. These things come out and they're not exciting. They don't feel innovative, even though there's like a lot of work put into them and they're really cool and interesting. And like, from a tech perspective, they were probably very advanced and like for a lot of companies feel like the iPhone when it first came out circa 2000 something, whenever that was. Um, but I just feel like it tech moves so quickly these days that there's nothing that's going to come out. That's really going to like, I don't know. Yeah. Make us all go, Oh my God. Wow. We're just desensitized to it. Shawn: Wow. That's interesting. We're desensitized to new tech. Like I was not desensitized to chat GPT when it came out. Like, Elysse: yeah, that's fair. Shawn: That blew my mind. Uh, can I Gavin: also challenge that tech doesn't actually move that fast nowadays? Like when was the last phone come out that was super innovative other than the shitty flip phone that nobody gives a shit about? And like the most recent update to my laptop. Notable, maybe 10 years ago.[00:52:00] Uh, even AI when it came out, great, it was big, but it hasn't changed much since his first launch as much as people want it to, it's kind of the same. So like, does it move fast? Elysse: I mean, I think in other, other ways, yes. Um, but like what, I guess what I'm saying is like even the hardware, like how much more can we go with the phone? How much more can we go with a laptop that's virtually going to stay the same probably for the next. What, however, how many, there were 16 iPhones in, it's like basically the same thing. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Um, I guess that's more what I mean. Like, unless we get, we all get neural links, like a phone is a phone is a phone at this point, right? Like, what else are they going to do to it? What else are you going to do to a laptop? Gavin: Yeah. That that's a curious question. Cause like, did they say that about like the rotary phone and then the like pickup phone and then the cell phone and then the iPhone. So then the next thing is like, is it implanted in my head? Which I'd be the first to sign up if it's like safe and like, I'm not going to lose my vision. I would absolutely have like a cyborg guy. 100 percent Elysse: here first. Elon [00:53:00] get Gavin to do it. Gavin: Yeah. Sign me up, Elysse: sign them up. Um, okay. Last link only cause I think it's really cool. We can all get some of these, uh, these sweet little tech shirts. Gavin: Uh, I didn't see this Elysse: error. I don't need error. No, go. com. Um, these sweet little teas, man. This is like, Gavin: I don't know if it's insulting or not, but because it reminds me of like when I first started using computers, like my sweeper and like, yeah, yeah. Actually forgot about that animation where the pages used to flip from one folder to the next when it was like, uh, when you're transferring. Files. Elysse: Files, yeah. Uh, Gavin: further up. It was a little further up, but that one, that one and the white t Elysse: Yeah, this one. Gavin: Oh yeah. Sorry, the screen just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't see it. That one. Yeah. Super fun. Yeah, it's super fun. So cool. Elysse: Yeah. Maybe we'll get internet plumber ones like this. Sweet little andor become fun. Yeah. Anyways, that's all I got for today. Gavin: Dope. Cool. Elysse: How do we like the new stuff? Pretty fun, right? I like the Gavin: [00:54:00] structure. I did re pre read the links, which was helpful for me to have some context around it. I like it. I forgot to mess with that one, um, code tool, the lit or whatever. Granted, it's frontend and I'm not a big frontend guy, so I don't think I would have played with it anyway. But, um, I could have read up on it a bit. Elysse: That's okay. Next time. Yeah. Uh, alright, well, that's all we got. See you guys next week? Shawn: Next Wednesday. Question mark. Next Elysse: Wednesday? Okay, well let me go back to our calendar and change all this. Yeah, I have to add the question mark because sometimes we're just like, Well, it's not pot today! Gavin: Yeah, yeah. Haven't had a coffee yet. See you on the internet, friends! Goodbye! Bye.