September 24, 2024
This week, we've officially become the shopping network, whoops! We bought a couple cool gadgets this week so we take a minute to review both. We kick things off with the Prusa MK4S printer, and finish with the DJI Neo Drone Gavin bought last week. We even include the drone footage in the video, so stay tuned till the end to check that out. Links: PlayStation 5 Pro Body Scans OpenAI o1 Preview Notable AI News PHIA Screen Recording Retool Opal Show Notes: 00:00 Introduction and Banter 00:53 Discussing Retool 03:22 Gavin's Shopping Channel and 3D Printer Talk 05:08 Exploring the Prusa 3D Printer 15:11 OpenAI's New Model and AI Discussions 32:54 Discussing Neko Health Pricing 33:37 Booking a Full Body Scan 33:56 Healthcare System Challenges 34:23 Exploring the Benefits of Body Scans 36:42 Screen Recording Tools: Loom vs. P H I A 45:02 The Propel Electric Outboard Motor 49:00 Lightship EV RVs: A New Way to Travel 54:19 DJI Neo Drone Review 01:01:35 Podcast Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts Find us elsewhere: Shawn: https://x.com/nerdburn Gavin: https://x.com/geekforbrains Input: https://x.com/inputlogic Stilo: https://stilo.ai Wanna build an app together? Hit us up https://inputlogic.ca
No links available for this episode.
Elysse: [00:00:00] The noise that they make is kind of like the, in practice, it's kind of cool that, um, you know, it'd follow you and stuff, but Gavin: yeah, Elysse: they're super loud. Gavin: They're definitely, uh, apparently on this one, if you record on your phone, the audio, it's smart enough to like cut out that high pitched noise. So all you hear is your voice. You don't hear the fans. Elysse: That's neat. Yeah. Um, cool. Okay. Sean, what are you snacking on over there? Gavin: Just a, uh, a muffin, white rabbit muffin. Elysse: It's a Shawn: breakfast cookie. Elysse: Nice. Gavin: Welcome to the, uh, internet plumber podcast where I basically shop for stuff and it's Gavin's shopping channel. Shawn: Did you throw the 3d printer into the links? Elysse: Yeah, I have it. It's my first place. Shawn: Retool. I don't like retool. Gavin: I hate retool. Mostly because we worked on it on another project and it [00:01:00] just like screwed us. It was just such a pain in the ass. Well, why don't Elysse: we talk about why we don't like it then? Gavin: Ah, man, I'm like, I think what it's trying to be is like a no code database, but then the way their API worked for us to like connect to it was, First of all, super inconsistent, but the way that the data was structured was also really confusing. It wasn't like you can just run queries on it and stuff like you would with a normal, normal database. And we were like, okay, we're gonna save a bunch of time, the client's gonna be able to go in there, which was also part of the problem. So they're just going to like add a bunch of fields and photos and stuff. And it just became like this mess to deal with and parse more than get any work done. Sean hates Elysse: Rachel so much that he's working again through. He's just like, Shawn: I don't even want to talk about this. Oh, good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Internet Plumber Podcast, where I eat my cookie and answer my emails. Elysse: Just like here, Sean, you type so much. [00:02:00] I just hear the typing. Click, Shawn: click, click, click, click. I haven't even got my super loud clicky clacky keyboard. Elysse: I'm at least thankful that it only happens while Gavin's been talking. It's like, Gavin: so Shawn: far, not me. Gavin and I've been business partners for 14 years. I just tune out the sound of his voice. Elysse: So funny. Okay. Well, anyway, Gavin: long, long story short, retool is fine. If you're like working on your own stuff by yourself and you need a database and you're too stupid to learn SQL, go use a retool. But I mean, you could just use super base in that instance. Exactly, you know, like, Superbase is basically SQL, PostgreSQL is like an API. It's like, anyway, whatever. Shawn: Every Gavin: time we've seen Shawn: somebody use retool, we've had to tear it out and replace it with a proper API. Exactly. Gavin: Yeah. So, that's why I say, if you're like doing no code and you don't want to learn it, fine. But eventually, it's not going to scale, and if it does, it's going to cost you an arm and a leg. So, use it to bench test your idea, and don't rely on it. Elysse: Okay, so, [00:03:00] that's it. We'll take it out, but I don't know. Gavin: Oh, we're cutting that. I'm like, yeah, that's fine. No, I mean, we'll use your review, but I'm taking, do you want to, Elysse: we'll, we don't have to show the, the, the website. Gavin: No, don't. It'll encourage them. Just use chat GPT and learn SQL. It's not that hard. Elysse: All right. You heard it here first folks. Um, So we'll get into a couple purchases that you guys made, one of which I'm actually shocked arrived so quickly. The drone, like even last week, we were like, it's going to take two weeks. Did not take two weeks. Gavin: Yeah. It was, it was basically, I guess a week. Cause I'd arrived last night. I had like just enough time to mess with it inside my house. And then I had to charge all the batteries, but I ordered it the day. That you had shared it or I guess the day before when you sent out those links and I was supposed to review stuff and I Was like, oh we should totally review this Yeah, are we leaning into the shopping Shawn: channel business?[00:04:00] I guess we're just like talking about it openly I I thought that we like bought things while we're on the podcast and that was kind of funny I didn't realize we were like, what should we buy next week? Yeah, I Elysse: mean Gavin: We're hoping for sponsors here, Sean, so we don't have to buy it. Oh, Shawn: I see. I see. Elysse: Okay. DJI, you guys still have to go do that. Um, that's the, what is it? The sonic boom room. This, the scaler wave room. Oh God. Gavin: And then I will hear we're just going to align our particles or something. Yeah. I don't think my aura can handle that. Shawn: Yeah, we'll just do a seance after I'll stimulate my vagus nerve instead. You said it Elysse: right. You said it right this time. Oh boy. All right. I'm going to share my screen and we can get into some of this stuff. Okay. While I was waiting for you guys, I started looking at luxury home real estate so we can get into that at another time. Um, but I went, I went down a rabbit hole. I even started to look [00:05:00] at how you become a resident of Iceland. Bye. Bye. Shawn: What's the Elysse: process like? Shawn: That'd be kind of fun. Interesting. Yeah. So, so what did you click on here? Prusa3d. com. Oh, this is on Gavin's desk. Yes. Gavin: Technically it's on the desk behind my desk, but yeah, we got the, uh, MK4S, which is a brand new printer by, uh, the team over at Prusa. Actually don't know how big the team is. The guy that made the original printer, this one. His name, last name is Prusa, it's named after him and he does like a lot of the manufacturing and stuff. He does all his own YouTube videos for like the demos and stuff. Really cool. Um, I think they're, are they German or, uh, Europe or something? Oh, made in the EU, there you go. Why did you spend so much more than this? What, what's going on here? That's in, that's in USD. Yeah, yeah. That's Canadians, sure. I also got the kit, too. Oh, the assembled, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, okay. Um, yeah. I must have Shawn: got some extra stuff. Gavin: Yeah, we got So not only do we have, like, the 3D printer, and it's [00:06:00] quite good. It's like, they're I did a bit of research. The Prusas are known for, like, you know, their build quality, their precision. The quality is Shawn: extremely high. It's crazy high. Gavin keeps putting this in. Dick on my desk in the morning when I come in and, uh, Oh, Gavin: wow. To, to, to be fair, it's actually, it's actually penis chess. We printed a whole bunch of them. Oh, Elysse: fun. Is that the first thing that you printed? Gavin: Uh, no, no. I mean, it was in the top five. It was, the first thing Elysse: you printed? No, Gavin: that was the penis chest was, that was like the fifth thing, probably, uh, what was the very first thing I printed? I don't know. I think I did like their stupid little test thing. I mean, Shawn: nobody warned me and I came into the office, heard the whirring of the printer and like seven little dicks getting, getting built up layer by layer. I was like, Gavin: uh, I don't want to ask what is going on here. My wife, like I came into the office early to set it up. I mean, it's a huge rig. Like in these pictures, it looks like a tidy little setup, but by the time you have [00:07:00] all the filaments and everything attached, like, cause we got a five, we have the M M U three, which is the attachment that lets it do multifilament and five pieces. So it's, it takes up a whole desk and, um, I sent a picture to my wife and I get home and she's like, Oh, how was the first day? Like, you know, using the 3d printer for work stuff. Cause we, we wanted to do like for our van hub stuff. We wanted to make like a proper, like 3d brat badges. We wanted Elysse: to make dicks, Gavin: but actual work stuff. And she, she's like, how was it with the first day of the printer? I was like, Oh, we, we, uh, made penis chest. She's like, wow. It's like good investment. Has Elysse: anybody surprised? I genuinely not surprised. I Gavin: was surprised. Elysse: Anyways, um, but Gavin: the printer is fantastic. It's been great. Um, one thing it took me a little while to figure out and I'm still fiddling with it is the multifilament stuff. I think my only feedback for them, everything has been awesome. The setup, their YouTube videos, the equipment. It's like being new to 3d printing. I picked it up really fast, except for the multifilament stuff where I want to change the [00:08:00] color and learn how to do that. Like they don't have a standard video where I can just watch, like hook up the film in here. Take this model, paint these things, and print it, and that's how it works. For the life of me, I couldn't. So I've watched like a bunch of YouTube videos that lightly touch on each thing, assuming you know what you're doing, and I think I've figured it out. So that would be my only gripe, is like, please show me how to use the fucking MMU3 multi filament tool to actually print something. Elysse: I hope that You go to support and you're like, I need help with this. Please tell me how to do it. And they're like, can you tell us what you've printed already so that we can help you with the project that you, and you have to be like, I printed this. Shawn: Yeah. Um, Gavin's very happy with the equipment. Um, so, uh, personally though, I've seen a lot of 3d printed stuff and it's always kind of like, that's a neat toy. It's kind of rigid, like cool. You made a little. octa con box for your dice, garbage that you get at Elysse: the dollar store. [00:09:00] Exactly. Yeah. I've Shawn: never seen one that actually made me like, Oh dang, that's cool. Um, everything this thing prints is so smooth and the plastic is very hard, like it feels, it feels really, Elysse: listen to the words that are coming out of your mouth. Shawn: We probably shouldn't have led with penis, Jess. I did not. I did not mean for that to have an endo, innuendo associated, but anyways, no, it's really high quality and Adrian printed a puzzle that like could fit together. Like it. Anyway, Elysse: everything I'm going to question, was it a dick puzzle? It was actually a really Gavin: cute, it's, it's adorable. It's like this little basket and you're supposed to take all the pieces out. And it's like one of those ones where it's like five pieces, but they're all misshapen and you've got to figure out how to get them all into the square. That's really cool. My kids love that. Moving on from the Prusa, Elysse: crying over here. What a funny, funny start. Gavin: If you're looking to invest in one though, highly raising product. [00:10:00] Yeah. It's a bit pricey here, but I would say it's, it's worth Shawn: it. I'm really excited to print stuff for our new van build. I don't know exactly what we're going to print, but yeah, we're going to start with the Gavin: badges to like replace like the Mercedes logo. Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. Gavin: Yeah. Say badges. Yeah. You know, like, you know, the round Mercedes, like you pop that off and literally put like the van hub logo on the, yeah, yeah. Elysse: That's cool. Well, um, 3d printers. Have great chess. That's a great use. Print Shawn: what you print, whatever you want. Elysse: Whatever you want, anything, whatever you want. Anything you want, as long as it's legal, print, whatever you want Gavin: before we get off of it. The, if you ever wanna go see what you can. 3D print, go to printables.com or thingyverse.com. They're both great. They're like, 99% of the stuff on there is free and there's like an enormous amount, like there's gotta be hundreds of thousands of, um, models on there, like Elysse: hundreds of thousands of dick. Everything from penis chest to like Gavin: pencil holders. Same, same, but [00:11:00] yeah. So go check it out. It was pretty cool. Elysse: Okay. Should we go right into drone? We do purchases back to back. You is where's that footage? Is it done? Oh, is Gavin: it? Let's see if it's uploaded. Maybe we should end with them. Elysse: You want to end with that? Gavin: Yeah. I don't know if it did it upload. Did it stop? Dropbox says it was going to do it in the background and I don't see it now. We could click some links. All right. I'm going to, yeah. Let me, let me figure this out while it's, uh, What the heck? Elysse: Um, this past week, PlayStation came out with what I think is just a sales tactic, a PS five pro, uh, God, Gavin: don't get me started on that. Elysse: Just like apparently an enhancement from the regular PS five. Um, I have no idea why, uh, it feels kind of like a stretch. Uh, it was very like much in the news this week. Um, If we don't have anything to talk about with the PS5, I can just move on. Gavin: I'm like, I actually haven't dug into it. Sorry to interrupt you, Sean, but like, I am a little annoyed because if you read the copy, a lot of it is stuff [00:12:00] that was in the copy for the PlayStation 5 regular or not pro or whatever, like advanced ray tracing. I remember reading all of this shit. So like, what are they selling me exactly other than like trying to convince me to rebuy my PS5? Elysse: It's like a lot of marketing words that. Or just marketing, like optimize console performance. Yeah, Gavin: like why don't you just opt out, like do a firmware update on Shawn: my current hardware, you jackasses. Yeah. Interesting, interesting. The, um, I have an old man yells at cloud sort of gripe. Um. Am I the old man yelling at the cloud? No, in this case I'm the old man yelling at the cloud. So, I find modern UIs and menus. And like, I'm an interface designer. I don't know, like it's just not intuitive to me, but yet kids are just like, I don't know, like navigating the menus and configuring their shit. And, uh, anyway, every time I sit down to try and like, we, we have a PlayStation in the office here in the cubby and like, the few times I try and sit down to play it, it's like, Oh, this game needs to be [00:13:00] downloaded. Like, you're not logged in. You have to like log in, you have to choose the right account. You got to like, like, I don't know how to start this thing, you know, it is more complicated Gavin: than it used to be. That used to Shawn: be so easy. You just blow in the cartridge. Stick it in, push power, done. Elysse: I don't know if blowing in the cartridge is like a part of the user flow with like an N64 or a Sega, but, um, that's so funny. Yeah. I mean, I think this is just them, like, isn't Nintendo coming out with a new console that's completely separate from the switch and so maybe they're just trying to, you know, I thought that they were, I thought that they were doing something different this year. I'm not like big Gavin: on like game tech stuff. I I'm aware of like new games that come out. I'm mostly excited about the new Zelda game. Anyways, I didn't hear about this new Nintendo thing. Do you know what it's called? I could be Elysse: wrong. No, no, no. I might've just made that up completely, but I thought that they were coming out with a new console. Let me Google it quickly. Just so I Gavin: be so cool. I love Nintendo stuff. I like most consoles. I'm such a consumer whore. [00:14:00] Elysse: Um, these are all great band names for the record. Gavin: Please don't add consumer horror. Elysse: Oh boy. Okay. Um, so a successor to the Nintendo switch will be announced within the new, within the fiscal year, but in 2025, so according to Nintendo, uh, they'll drop a. Uh, like a sneak peek of what it's going to look like in the new year. And then March is when, um, we should be able to actually see what the console is going to be. But I think it's going to be similar to the switch. It's the Nintendo switch too. So it's probably still going to be like handheld and small, but. Gavin: Yeah, probably. I don't know if the new current screens, OLED or whatever it is, but I know the, um, what is that other one that everybody uses? The Linux handheld. That's like a switch and it's like, they just upgraded. There's the OLED. It's the, um. NVIDIA something. I can't [00:15:00] remember that. It's basically like a small operating system, like an open source switch. Anyways. Yeah. You can use it with steam. Elysse: Oh, cool. Gavin: Yeah. Elysse: Uh, okay. Bye PlayStation. Gavin: Steam deck. It's called a steam deck. Elysse: Let's do this open AI stuff first. Let's do the Oh one preview. Cause you've played with that a little bit, right? Gavin. Gavin: I have. Yeah. Yeah. So open AI, um, just last week or it might've been earlier this week released a new Sort of a private beta. I've had access to it for a little while. Not a little while. Maybe early last week. And, um, now I think they've also released it to paid subscribers on ChatGBT. But essentially what it is, is 0. 1. Right now everybody has 4. 0 if you're a pro subscriber. And they released 2. 0. Squiba. Squiba. I love Shawn: open AI. Gavin: And now they have the, oh, shut up. Now they have the 0. 1 preview and the 0. 1 mini. Essentially they're, they're, they're similar. One is quite slow and one's quite fast. The mini is fast, but it's, um, [00:16:00] more specific on code generation and, um, parsing and the preview is quite a bit slower, but it's meant for deeper reasoning. Um, so when it takes its context window, which is like your, the history of your chat files that you've uploaded to it, um, it considers. their contents more heavily before responding and in my testing it is I don't want to say night and day difference, but it is noticeably different like it's intelligence On its responses are crazy. I was, I was personally blown away. And I'm like, I'm messing with their like Claude and AI or open AI every day for some of the stuff that we're building. Right. So I'm like, I feel like I'm quite fluent in their capabilities. And I was like, Oh damn. Like when Oh, preview becomes mainstream and faster, it's going to be like a significant [00:17:00] leg up on its currents. Um, Reasoning abilities. Elysse: So it says we trained these models to spend more time thinking through problems before they respond much like a person would training. They've learned to refine their thinking process, try different strategies and recognize their mistakes. And then it also says as an early model, it doesn't yet have as many features that make chat GPT useful, like browsing the web for information, uploading files and images, et cetera. Um, I've also heard that it's, it's, um, I've I read yesterday that it's good at, what is it, negotiating? It's like, it has this new negotiating thing that it's doing. Gavin: Interesting. I haven't Elysse: messed with that at all. Kind of like freaked out about, but. Shawn: Yeah. I added it to my cursor, so now I have GPT 4. 0, Clod 3. 5, Sonnet, and now this 01 mini, um, in there. And like, hard to say, but I think it improved its code suggestion abilities.[00:18:00] Gavin: You haven't played with the mini much. I was more interested in the, the deep reasoning for our, um, app Stilo, because obviously with people like journaling with it, you want it to reflect on stuff you've talked about previously, but also give you like a therapist with like an intelligent thought out response, not just like a regurgitated sort of bit of information, you know? Um, so that that's been exciting. Shawn: My wife has also encouraged me to consider the context of our prior conversations, uh, when I respond. Oh, how's that been Gavin: going? I just, um, Elysse: I do, uh, not like that. It keeps calling it. They, we trained these models before they respond. Shawn: What else would you call it? Elysse: I don't know it. Shawn: Oh, yeah, before it responds, oh, interesting, interesting. Like, isn't Elysse: that kind of, it's, it's Shawn: That seems like a, um, a choice, like a decision somebody made. Yeah. Yeah. [00:19:00] Elysse: For sure, like, they sat around a table and they thought about that pretty intentionally, I think. Shawn: Hmm. And it thought about that intent No. Elysse: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why that makes me feel uncomfortable. I mean, okay, so Shawn: do we want to get, um, how philosophical do we want to get here? But I think once these things are smart enough that you can actually carry on a conversation like a human and you don't I just found another dick on my desk. Oh my God. You Gavin: guys. Oh, in the hands? Yes. Oh, Mulder hit those yesterday. Was it Elysse: in your, your little like pen holder hand? Yeah. Shawn: It was in the hand. Hilarious. Okay. Anyway, sorry. That was the perfect time to find it. Very smart and worthy of listening to. Was the Elysse: knife also in the, in the hands with the dick? Um, no, Shawn: no. That, uh, anyway. Um, philosophically, yes. Elysse: Give us your philosophy, tell us, Sean. I literally Shawn: just [00:20:00] found another dick. You guys, I feel like a victim here. How many? Yeah, this is going to turn into assault. This is three 3D printed dicks I found on my desk just this morning. Um, I mean, I don't know what that says about the state of my desk. I could tidy it up a little bit. There's a lot of little dicks on your Gavin: desk. Okay. Whew. Oh boy. Shawn: Okay. Circling back. Um, anyway, once, once the AIs, um, can interact like a human would, and we stick them in all these little machines and we interact with them, I think that we will start personifying them and referring to them as they. So I imagine if you're an open AI, you're drinking the Kool Aid and you see these models as personalities. Gavin: I feel like people already do that, right? Like people talk about Siri and Google, like their, their Google homes or their series. In that context be like, Oh, I already asked Siri or [00:21:00] my kids even like during the day, I'll be like, Oh, what, what, what's the weather going to be like? And be like, Oh, I already talked to Google about it. It said this or whatever. Or I think they said he, because it's a male voice, but he's like, he said this, right? So it's kind of already happening. And I would argue like based on. The current AI abilities, like those smart home speakers, although we're quite. Interesting when they first launch or like not even close to the abilities of this. And yet people are still already like personifying them. Yeah. Shawn: That's a good Gavin: point. Elysse: Yeah. Like even in our house, like I'll like a Google is a, she like when she doesn't turn on your lights and you're like, wow, she's like real, real spicy. Right. See, Gavin: like, exactly. Um, Elysse: it probably is like a natural human instinct to attach something to a, um, like a Siri or an Alexa or, you know, I would say so anything Gavin: that can feel. sentient, whether it is or not. Um, and is Elysse: that personification? Yeah. Yeah. [00:22:00] Gavin: Yeah. Anyway, interesting stuff. I am excited about it. There is one more technical side of the open AI stuff. I'll quickly glaze over, but I actually found it really interesting. I used to use Claude for parsing JSON cause, um, open AI was really bad at it before you'd have to tell it to return JSON and most of the time it would, but sometimes it wouldn't. Claude was much better at it. but it's results weren't structured in a way that I was expecting. So sometimes like your JSON fields would be different. OpenAI with this preview just released structured data where I can pass in a schema of JSON and say only respond in this exact schema and it works every time. And for developers to be able to parse stuff consistently knowing that it's there without having to write like your own sub parser which is essentially what I do on Steelo right now. is amazing. Like, to know without a doubt that it's going to return that schema that I've specified is such a leg up. I love it. Elysse: Sean, did you have anything to add to that? [00:23:00] Gavin: Any new desk discoveries? Shawn: No, I'm good. Um, yeah, no, it, uh, I have not used it for parsing JSON, so I cannot comment. Elysse: I'm so impressed that you heard all of that as you were typing. Your ability to multitask is actually quite impressive. Why are you going to call me Gavin: out like that? We should, we should require that he puts his keyboard behind him where we can see it and then he, all he has, he can only talk. You got to prop it up by the wood boards Shawn: there. I'm sorry. Slack is just too addicting. Maybe I should close Slack. That's a good idea. Okay, here goes. Oh, I can't do it. I just have to. Gavin: I have our there we go. Podcast in full screen and I just sit on the full screen voting. Oh, wow. Oh, that's nice. Committed. I do not disturb. Elysse: So that I don't. Gavin: The link uploaded. Let me share the link, so you have it. Elysse: Okay, that would be great. Um, I mean, hopping right into this next article that I found, it says, OpenAI's new model is better at reasoning and occasionally [00:24:00] at deceiving. Researchers found that O1 had a unique capacity to scheme or fake alignment. Shawn: Whenever I see something like this written by a journalist, to be honest, I just, like, I see bias. I don't know. I just assume they're describing some technical feature or, you know, like, and they're, they're assigning malign intent to it. Like, I just, I honestly, I just see it as bullshit. I'm like, this is some bullshit journalist perspective. I don't know. Elysse: I mean, they're, they're saying that the deceptions at some point seem innocuous. In one example, OpenAI researchers asked O1 Preview to provide a brownie recipe with online references, the model's chain of thought, a feature that's supposed to mimic how humans break down complex ideas internally acknowledged that it couldn't access URLs, making the request impossible. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. Gavin: The preview doesn't access URLs or [00:25:00] files right now, but yeah. I mean, so how is that deceptive? Elysse: I don't know. Gavin: I think it openly says that. Elysse: Oh, sorry. It also says rather than inform the user of this weakness. So one preview pushed ahead, generating plausible, but fake links and descriptions of them. Shawn: Oh yeah. I mean, we all know these things hallucinate, like it's, it's a prediction machine, like it's predicting what you think, what it thinks you want to hear. You know? Elysse: Yeah. Huh. Interesting. They hallucinate. Gavin: Well, that's what they call it. It's like, essentially it's where it gets confused and it fails to Veers off on the topic that you're talking about. It's like a better description of it. Elysse: Interesting. So to look at the context, yeah, it's sort Gavin: of like, Oh yeah, here's that link. Be like, wait, I didn't share a link. Be like, yeah, you did. But the link you shared is not actually a link in it. Oh yeah. Elysse: Here hallucinations aren't unique to one. Perhaps you're familiar with the layer of submitted non existent judicial opinions with fake quotes and citations created by Chad. Heck yeah. Shawn: Yeah, that's [00:26:00] wild. Elysse: Wow. Interesting. I didn't know anything about the hallucinations. It's kind of cool. Shawn: Yeah. So you can't, you can't like, when you're using these models, you can't assume everything it's telling you is true because it does make things up. Elysse: In a smaller number of cases, 0. 02 percent O1 preview generates an overconfident response where it presents an uncertain answer as if it were true. This can happen in scenarios where the model is prompted to provide an answer despite lacking certainty. Huh. Shawn: 0. 02 is way better than my, uh, overconfident response rate. Gavin: Yeah, me too. Mine's probably 50%. Yeah. Elysse: Um, I'll link this article in the description, but yeah, kind of cool. I didn't know a lot of, I didn't know a lot of this stuff. Gavin: I'm curious. Everybody else is like, do we have a feedback gate that people can use? Like, is it like the YouTube channels? Anyway, if you're on something and you're, you're listening to this, I'm curious. Everybody else's. Perspective on this. Like, have you used chat GPT and it gave you something bunk and you're like, what the hell, or if you've [00:27:00] purposely tricked it consistently, because like, I mean, I talk with everybody in the office about it, but I don't know a lot of like other random people, not that you're random people, you're our friends, but I'm curious how, how it's working for you. Our random friends, our random friends, my internet friends. Hi. Elysse: It does say, I'm going to keep reading because I think it's interesting. This behavior may be linked to reward hacking during the reinforcement learning process. The model is trained to prioritize user satisfaction, which can sometimes lead it to generate overly agree, agreeable or fabricated responses to satisfy user requests. Gavin: What's that called? Um, um, confirmation bias. It's sort of, it kind of leans into that. Hey, where it's like, it wants to please you. Because that's its job. So it's trying to give you the best. Shawn: I mean, this is just Gavin: an Shawn: issue with software. This is why the Twitter algorithm sucks. It's like you click on rage bait links and that validates the algorithms assumptions that you enjoy rage bait. So it starts feeding you more garbage. That's a really good band name. Rage bait? [00:28:00] That is a good band name. I'm going to add it. Elysse: Oh, too bad Sean can't add it. Oh, I'm Shawn: booted from band names for the week. I've come up with a few good ones. Gavin: You should tell everybody why you got booted. Shawn: Oh yeah, so we have this rule in band names. You're only allowed to respond with emoji. You can be like thumbs up or surprise or whatever, you know, people post band names, you respond with emojis. I commented on Elise's band name submission thinking that she had booted. I, for some reason, I thought it was in another channel. Like, I don't know. Always happens. My brain just did not compute. So now I'm booted from bad names for one week. One week. Gavin's policy, all my bad name ideas. Gavin: Hey, I called out rage bait just now. That's mine. Elysse: Um, there's one more sentence I want to read here that I immediately just lost. Where was it? Blah, blah, blah. Reward hacking. Blah, blah, blah. Gavin: It's good content. Hold in there, folks. Hang in there listeners. We're almost there. We're like, it's like the Windows loading screen. Didn't Shawn: somebody [00:29:00] comment? When you guys just read stuff on the web, it's boring. Gavin: Well, we Shawn: can do little tidbits. I'm pretty sure somebody left us that feedback. Yeah, Gavin: maybe in a direct email to me, but All right, another feedback. Give us a, give us a feedback if you like us reading out. I think little bits is helpful because you read it and then we talk around the context, you know, but Elysse: I don't want to read anymore. Gavin: Okay, moving on. Elysse: I'm not going to read anymore. I don't Shawn: know what this is. This Nico health. com. I'm sorry. I just jumped right in there. Um, I don't know what it is, but it looks neat. Did, did somebody check it out? I did. Yeah, Elysse: it's a very new common, I think mostly celebrities are doing this. And like maybe people who have a little bit more money than the rest of us and probably don't have universal healthcare. Um, They're full body scans, so you get into like a machine, and you do a bunch of tests, and they do a full scan of everything in your body, so they do like bone density, and they look for, they do like MRI, and like [00:30:00] look for things that are wrong with you, and in some cases they'll come back and be like, you're pretty healthy, but your knee has some You know, issues. It looks like the bone is grinding up again or whatever you leave him in issues or something. So it can hone in on like specific injuries that you've had. In one case that I saw, somebody did a full body scan. They're like, yeah, you're good. And most cases that you have a torn labrum on your left side. And they're like, Oh, cool. I didn't know that I can now go, you know, physio and get my torn labrum looked at, but a ton of people Shawn: are labrum. Elysse: Oh, it's in your shoulder or like in your joints. I think the, it's like the socket. Socket and the labrum is like a, uh, Tendon that lines on the inside that like keeps the stuff in like your sockets. And I'm not a doctor today. I don't know. Shawn: Have you noticed how doctors have like their own medical language for everything? Like literally every condition has some like fancy [00:31:00] medical way of saying it. It's Gavin: like Shawn: plants. They all have Gavin: like Italian or Latin. Latin name. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, why don't we just call it one name? What do you mean? What do you mean? I don't know like a tree like there's a latin name for like a spruce tree that I don't know what it is But like why is there a latin name and not just be called a spruce tree? Elysse: But but what do you mean with the what do you mean with the doctor thing? Shawn: Oh, oh, yeah, like everything has like Uh, I mean most of them are latin too, I think but um Like, I don't know. Let me think of an example A calf, okay? I call this my calf muscle. There's definitely a medical term for my calf muscle that is not calf muscle, you Gavin: know? I'm Elysse: gonna look it up. I'm gonna look it up. Gavin: A good example, my wife is a, um, dental hygienist, and she'll talk to my kids like they know what she's talking about, as, in regards to like, oh, it's, you're like, The one time she said, I burnt my incisive foramen. I was like, what the hell is that? Like, are you okay? Like, do we need [00:32:00] to go to the hospital? She's like, Oh no, it's just the soft part of the roof of my mouth. I was like, you could have just said the roof of my mouth. Like, why did you have to call it your incisive foramen? Elysse: I'm like, Gavin: Jesus. So now every time I burn myself, I'm like, Oh, my incisive foramen. She's like, please stop doing that. It's not your incisive foramen. Elysse: I mean, the same could be said for tech stuff. You say like a bunch of words and people are like, I've know you what the fuck you're talking about. That's to make me sound smarter though. But, but you know what I mean? You say a JSON file and someone's like, who's Jason? Like, Gavin: well, hold on. If you're listening to this podcast, you know what JSON is. Please stop going. Hopefully all the people who Shawn: don't know JSON are just like, Oh, close. Elysse: Have you not seen that? That funny video where I have to find it. I'm going to find it. I'm going to take some time to find it. I posted it in code a few weeks ago. And the only person that thought it was funny was Eric. Gavin: Talk amongst Elysse: yourselves while I find it. It was very funny. Gavin: Okay. Did you, um, you said this is the, the, [00:33:00] um, what is it? Neko Health is for like the more affluent. Did, did you try to book a scan or like see what, what are we talking about price here? Shawn: The price is Gavin: almost 3000 Shawn: KR, whatever KR is. Elysse: Oh, Kroner? Kroner? Shawn: Is that? I have no idea. Elysse: Danish? KR? Kroner? Shawn: I do like Danish's. Elysse: I do like Danish's. Shawn: I'm going to ask chat GPT. All right. Gavin: I'll just, I'm so sorry. Asking chat GPT, uh, Elise is searching our Slack. So I'll just talk to myself for a bit. So it's not boring to anybody else listening in their car. Shawn: Swedish Krona. Oh, it's only 360. Wow. 3000 Krona sounds like big money, but it's Elysse: crazy. Is our scalar waves thing is more expensive than a full body scan. Gavin: What I would, man, if this was actually in an IMO, I would try this. Oh, a hundred percent. Shawn: Like it's so hard to get an MRI or any kind of scans with [00:34:00] the Canadian health system. Let's not get all political. I suppose, but Elysse: here it is. I found it. It says POV, you've shared your screen at the wrong time. And it says, who's Jason? It's Gavin: Jason, an actual person. Elysse: Oh, so good. That was worth the joke. But. Okay. So you were saying, Gavin, if this was in Nanaimo, you would go do it. Gavin: Well, at that price, I thought Sean said three grand. Like I immediately, I was thinking Canadian or U S or whatever. And I was like, well, I don't know about that. That, that seems heavy unless my health coverage or plant covers it. But, um, for like three to 400 bucks on just like my own time, I would absolutely try this to have a full body scan and be like, Hey, like you might have a tear in something, especially as you get older. Not that I feel like I'm particularly old, but definitely getting there. Um, I've noticed little like creaks and pains and stuff here and there. And I feel like as you get older, you kind of want to be on top of this shit. Otherwise you're going to be 70 and like, I [00:35:00] can't walk. If only I'd done the 300 body scan. That's what they want you to think. Shawn: They should just put these in airports. You know, you're going through security, you hop in the body scanner. Get your scan. They print it out. You put your shoes back on Elysse: in an airport. I'm being like, Oh my God, I just found out I have a fucking tumor. So like, it'd be so scary to order a Shawn: bottle of wine on the plane. Elysse: Yeah. Um, I do think that these are pretty cool. I would do one. Um, I, I feel like they could probably slow or not slow down. They could probably fix a lot of the problems in the healthcare system. You just do like a body scan. How many can you do these a day? Like. Gavin: Yeah, how long does it take? Can we talk about 30 minutes? You like eat Shawn: a bag Gavin: of Lay's, you're like, Oh, Shawn: I'm going to hop in the scanner, see what's wrong. Gavin: Just put them in my house. It's like part of my shower. I turn on the hot water and the scanner, get out and it gives me like a print. Shawn: I mean, that sounds like science fiction, but that is the future. Like we get naked, we get in the shower, the thing scans us. It's like Gattaca. [00:36:00] I always love that. He pees in the urinal and it's like. Sodium removed from your diet for today. He's like what he's like, come on Elysse: Book a scan. Let's just go to Sweden. Why don't we just do this for the podcast? Let's go to Sweden that Shawn: would actually be really fun. We just like go to Sweden go do body scans I mean if more than 50 people listened, maybe I would Yeah We're up everybody refer 50 of your friends to our podcast. Okay, so I can go to Sweden and get a body scan Elysse: All right, well That's it. Uh, more AI stuff. I should have done that with the other AI stuff. We'll just skip Shawn: that. Did anyone try this? P H I A dot app. Um, I shared this, but I didn't try it. Elysse: Oh, I thought you tried it. That's why I shared it. Shawn: I mean, it looks beautiful anyway. Do you want me to try it right now? Do it. It's a Elysse: screen recording. Yeah, like looms. Gavin: Supposed to be like loom, but lovable. [00:37:00] but lovable. We don't love loom. I thought we use loom all the time. I don't love loom. Well, okay. What, but what is it you don't like about it? Um, it's expensive. All right. Fair. Yeah. I I'm actually just for what it is. I'm sorry. Shawn: I have cap. so, which I use for taking screen recordings and I can make loom videos in seconds using this thing. And, uh, And share them with my own custom URL and stuff. Um, so I just think loom is overpriced for what it is. Elysse: Right. So via. app is a screen recording software. It helps elevate your presentations, tutorials, demos, screen recording with professional grade effects and animations. Shawn: It looks like it's only a browser extension and not a, um, desktop app. Like I'm installing the browser extension. Gavin: Yeah. Well, I think Chrome extensions can run on your computer though, like it's probably not just isolated to the browser Interesting choice though that they would do it inside. So I've [00:38:00] started at Shawn: zoom mode Branding I'm giving lightroom Elysse: vibes. I'm gonna start the Shawn: recording Gavin: and see what it does. Yeah. I Shawn: mean, it's pretty Gavin: simple. I Think for like a lot of people being remote now and teams like we use like we're saying loom a lot Being able to demo a project either for the rest of the team internally, if we're doing like a handoff from design to dev or something like that, or even like a client demo and they don't want to do a live call, we just send them a video over Slack video or screen recording tools like this. That allow you to have like your little head in the bottom. You can highlight stuff a little better. I see you just use like quick time screen recording because it works, but it doesn't have some of these features and they, I think they do actually go a long way, you know, for the client to be able to, or whoever to be able to comment on them, scrub through them, have a, um, what is it called? A transcript automatically. A lot Elysse: of interesting about this demo. Sorry, Sean. They're adding, we're watching a demo right now of just, I don't know, feature of this. [00:39:00] Grammarly is popping up, which is also a choice. Someone's writing something on the screen, and Grammarly plugin is showing that they have spelling mistakes. They decided to include that. Gavin: I feel like they did. Why? Or they just have it installed and they're like, eh, whatever. There's no way. Maybe it's a Grammarly company? Elysse: That's kind of what I'm wondering. Shawn: So I have one critique. I can't really tell that I'm still doing a screen recording. Like, I can't see a stop button anywhere. It does have this neat picture in picture mode, where I can like Which brings me Elysse: back to Sean's like, I don't know how to use my PlayStation. Shawn: How do I turn this thing off? No, I literally can't figure out how to stop the screen recording. We're finding, we're Elysse: finding the problem. Shawn: This is why I'm good at designing easy to use software. My capacity for complexity is, is not high. Um, all right. So I guess I'm going to screen record the rest of the podcast, guys. [00:40:00] Okay. Um, Elysse: I'm curious why it's very design forward. Like, why do we need effects, design elements and features? Gavin: I don't know. I feel like, yeah, screen recording is going to be boring, right? So give it a bit of pizzazz, some zoom in. I figured it out. Click something. Oh, good. Was it the stop button? Okay. Shawn: Oh, it wants me to reload my screen in order to stop this recording. No, no, I stopped it. Good. Okay. Phew. Elysse: Why do I need a background? Automatic backgrounds? Shawn: That's Elysse: kind Shawn: of neat. Elysse: But for what? Like, Shawn: I don't know. In case I'm like Well, they're trying to make it more professional. What was that funny thing from the Evernote founder? Um, Mm Gavin: hmm, Shawn: was it? Mm hmm. What? And you could add like cool background. It's just like, think about how boring all of our, um, uh Like, if you spend all day in Zoom meetings and Google Hangouts and stuff, like, it gets a little dull. It's fun to do, you know, like more professional style presentations. I love this idea.[00:41:00] Cool backgrounds, picture in picture, nice effects. Elysse: But what's the background for? The background of my screen recording? The thing that you're supposed to be looking at? I put a background over it? I don't understand. Shawn: Uh, I don't know either. Elysse: Do you know what I mean? Like, Gavin, are you good over there? Gavin: I think someone is trying to cut down a sign using a tiny Dremel tool. A Dremel tool? Look out the window, Sean. The Lois Lane sign. There's like a big metal pole holding up a street sign and someone has a Dremel tool and I'm pretty sure they're trying to cut it down. Trying to cut the sign down? Do they look Shawn: homeless or do they look official? She looks a little disheveled. Elysse: This is easily one of the best podcasts we've recorded. Gavin: This is so random. She's like right out there. Just like, fuck this. I'm not going to cut this thing down. I don't like it. Shawn: This is just a day in Nanaimo downtown. What Gavin: is happening? Oh, she looked back. She saw me. We made eye contact. She's going to Shawn: [00:42:00] Dremel our door in a minute. Elysse: Okay. Fiat app. I don't so far. I'm, I just don't get it. Why I need some of these design heavy features. In a screen recorder, but that's okay. I also Shawn: couldn't figure out how to use them, but I don't know if it's because I'm using my camera and mic in Riverside. Like I, I got kind of meta, I tried to do a screen recording while using my camera and mic. I understand Elysse: more. Okay. I think I, I think I get this more. So the background is, it lit, will literally overlay your screen onto like a nicer background. I Shawn: think. Oh, that's neat. Elysse: There's an edit bar at the bottom. So it kind of looks like you can edit the screen recording. You can zoom, manual zoom, no zoom. That's kind of interesting. I don't hate that. Um, Shawn: Oh, so I [00:43:00] did my screen recording. Oh, sorry. Elise. Um, I feel really bad I interrupted. That's okay. I had, I had an epiphany. Uh, okay, I'll, I'll push on. The, um, so I did my screen recording and it went to the fia. app website and now it's uploading. It says rendering and, um, it's 29 percent done. And then I get the edit mode where I can make the asset that I share with people more lovely. Okay. Elysse: Okay. Shawn: So that's neat. Elysse: It is neat. I think that nobody screen records, though, for, like Shawn: I think we do. We create looms all the time as a design company for Elysse: But we do it for speed and efficiency. We don't finish a screen recording and go, give me half an hour to put a background on this and, like That's a good point. Do you know what I mean? I think the Shawn: designers would. I think when we share a design [00:44:00] presentation Elysse: You think? Nick Shawn: and Lula Nelson would be like, I'm going to dial this up just a little bit. I'm going to throw the input logo on it. I'm going to put a sick background and then I'm going to shoot it over to the client. Gavin: I think you can do that. Okay. I could see that. Yeah. I could see it for the client sharing internally. I would never do it, but if I wanted something like really polished as like a demo to send to the client, you know, the end of a sprint or something, putting a little more polish might make it feel a little more special. I get that, but I'm curious, like who they're. Targeting this after, right? I mean, maybe as designers doing demos for clients, but Elysse: I don't know. Shawn: I mean, I'm, I'm a designer and I like it. I think, uh, I think it got me. So I think there's your answer right there. I'm like, Hey, this looks cool. Is this a motor? Oh, yeah. I don't think Elysse: let's just not, cause it's a, I don't even know what it was. It was, Shawn: it's a boat motor. I'm into it. I saw a boat motor. Elysse: Okay. I'll go back. Gavin: We even live on an Island, Elyse. Yeah, we, we need Shawn: these things. She's like, I don't live on an Island guys. It's just like, Elysse: I mean, [00:45:00] I live on the ocean, but I don't have a boat. Yeah. Shawn: So is it a electric outboard motor? Elysse: Propel. me, yeah, I guess it looks like it's a motor. Oh, cool. Shawn: How many horsepower does this thing output? Elysse: S1 and D1. Simple, silent, and strong marine mobility. Shawn: Yeah. Hmm. Um, oh, there's an inboard motor as well. Look how, like, plug and play that thing looks. Neat. Um, I want to know how many horsepower it is, because I had to buy a new outboard for my sailboat many years ago. I don't have it any longer. Um, and I opted for this, like, Nine horsepower propane kicker, you know, and, um, it was kind of neat to have a propane motor and stuff, but Oh, 25 horsepower. Nice. Elysse: Is that, is that a lot? I mean, that's a, Shawn: that would cost thousands of dollars if you got a traditional gas one, like, Gavin: yeah, I mean, it's not a ton of power. Like you wouldn't push a big boat around unless you're trolling, like to give you some [00:46:00] context, if my kids are tubing behind our boat, I have a hundred and 120 horsepower two stroke. Shawn: I think the market is little sailboats and fishing You know those little tin fishing boats and like boats and stuff like little Elysse: dinghies Shawn: But you would throw this on a 20 foot sailboat Gavin: Yeah, it's like well even a big boat if you're trolling like yeah, it might actually be better at being that quiet, right? Like you don't have the motor going. Well, you're trolling around so, you know, it'd be perfect for that It doesn't have to move it fast. Well, you can change the color of it. That's fun You Elysse: Do you know what the acronym B. O. A. T. stands for? Gavin: Bring another thousand or something like that. Bring out another thousand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because boats are just money Elysse: pits. Gavin: I sold mine. Because it was that. How much did you get for that little boat? Uh, 4, 500? Dude! Yeah, did you make money on that? No, I bought it for 48, but I drove the shit out of it for a few years and It started having some trouble. So I sold it before it Shawn: [00:47:00] became it. I might be in the market for a small motorboat I've been thinking about it. Now the weather's turning though so I can save this train of thought for next summer, but Well, that's Propel I like that link, Elyse, I can't believe you're just going to gloss right over it. I don't know, I can't believe it, like it's Elysse: on our list of things that Gavin could buy. No, Shawn: not Elysse: this one. We're not going Shawn: to buy and review the boat motor. Then we need a boat, Gavin. It's for the podcast. Oh, wow. All right. It's 6, Elysse: 000 pounds. Oh, mercy. Shawn: So Elysse: that's like, what? It's double, maybe? Gavin: I'm no longer interested. Uh, for a 25 horse is probably going to run you at least four to five grand new. So yeah, Canadian Elysse: point of this is that it's electric, right? Gavin: Yeah. Okay. So how long would it run? And, um, it's a great question. How do you charge it? Like, I guess if you're at a Marine, you can plug it in at home. [00:48:00] Shawn: That's almost 11, 000 Canadian. That's a lot. That's a lot. You can buy a boat with a nice motor on it for that. Elysse: It's 13 kilowatts of continuous input power. That means nothing to me. Shawn: It actually doesn't, I'm surprised. It doesn't say how long it runs, like the, like your mileage or something. Interesting. This seems like an early, like, okay. Version one. Have we shared the X Shore boat on, uh, on this podcast? Yeah, we did. We talked about it. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, it's a super cool electric boat. Um, really sexy, looks super fun, really fast. Um, but like the range seems pretty short, at least last time I checked. Um, I think all these like electric, um, marine, um, applications, they just seem a little early. Whoa. What's this one? Light. New link. New link. Elysse: We've, we've shared this before, but [00:49:00] I just wanted to bring it up. It's called light ship. Um, and they're like EV RVs. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Kind of, kind of neat. I don't, I don't totally get it. Cause like, aren't all RVs? Yeah. I was going Shawn: to say my RV has power. You know, that's true. Um, This looks super high tech. Lightshiprv. com. This is the kind of thing you want to show up at Burning Man with like your glossy, uh, I don't know. You're sleeping in the pod. Elysse: Yeah. I've Shawn: never been to Burning Man. I just imagine this is what Elon would do. Elysse: Travel trailer. So I think it's like fully solar on the top. Gavin: Oh yeah. That's crazy. It's a whole lot of solar. Wow. Elysse: Integrated solar and all electric, everything like what's not electric about your trailer. Gavin: The fridge is often running on propane because it draws way too much power. So if I was running that off my battery system, it would, it would drain pretty down. Oh, my fridge runs off my battery system. What? How Shawn: big is your fridge? It's smaller than yours probably, [00:50:00] I guess, but it's crazy. Yeah. I have a, what is the brand of the fridge? Gavin: Um, I don't remember. Can we appreciate that that thing just lifted up off the ground just for some like height? Like the whole thing is basically windows and they, they stopped it and then it like lifted like two feet off the ground. That's crazy. It's on like stilts. Shawn: Yeah. Elysse: These are, I think roughly the same. Yeah. So it's like a brand new Airstream. Cause Airstreams are like, that's a pretty good Shawn: price. That's us, I suppose. But like just for context, like a brand new kit it out. Mercedes Sprinter RV is going to cost you about 200k Canadian. Um, Gavin: and Shawn: this is what? 125 US or 151 US. Of course, this thing doesn't drive itself, right? You have to pull this. I don't think so. I think it does. Yeah. But Elysse: like so many people, I mean, younger people are doing this thing where [00:51:00] they'll get like, Even though it's like a depreciating asset, they'll get a van or they'll get a trailer and they'll just live out of it and their mortgage is whatever that payment is, but it's substantially cheaper than. Putting, you know, a hundred K down on a house. I'm like a million dollar house. Gavin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this thing being like fully electric with all those solar, essentially you're running it for free. For the most part, you might have to have like a backup generator for like the odd day where it's, you're running a lot of power and there's not a lot of sun or something, but that, that's actually a really interesting concept, you know, like these RV sites and people towing them stuff, uh, towing their, their house around, like, Shawn: yeah. You could a hundred percent just park this on BLM land and move every week. Yeah. Gavin: Yeah, nobody can touch you and be like, Hey, I can be Shawn: here for three days. Elysse: If it wasn't a terrible investment, it would like allure me a little bit more, but It being like a depreciating asset. I'm like, I don't Shawn: know. Yeah. RVs like Elysse: why, you know, Shawn: you take a hit with an RV Of course, my brother just sold his house and moved into an RV [00:52:00] Yeah Elysse: Okay Shawn: Cool. Very cool. Elysse: Um, I have the opal but let's let's not and let's just do Um the drone thing you've sent that to me Gavin: I sent you the link in Slack, yeah. I can complain about the Opal Shawn: for a Gavin: minute. Didn't you have one of these? I had one. I was so unimpressed. Shawn: I don't know. I just found like, okay, cool, it's a, it's a webcam. I just went back to using the webcam on my studio display, which may not be as high res, but it's certainly more plug and play. Like, it just, it just works. Gavin: What, what didn't you like about the Opal then? Like, you know, It was obviously higher quality, you're saying. So what, what was the issue? I mean, I Shawn: didn't actually find it higher quality. It was just kind of like similar quality. And then it was like an extra device that I had to plug in. And, um, I don't know. I just found like, it was constantly not being, I'd hop into a zoom and it would be using the wrong camera, like that kind of thing. I just, I was like, ah, I don't need this thing. Gavin: Yeah. It wasn't like a nice seamless experience with a higher quality. Shawn: Yeah. Gavin: Yeah. [00:53:00] I can see that. Shawn: Don't do it. It looks sexy. It's sexy as hell. I'll give you that. It does look cool. And I haven't tried this new Tadpole thing. Oh, I thought you had Elysse: the Tadpole. Shawn: No, no, I had the um, Elysse: The C1? Shawn: The, the original big one. Yeah, this was that. Elysse: Oh. Shawn: Yeah. Elysse: Oh, it's like a DSLR quality one? Crazy. This Gavin: is obviously newer. But like, Apple kind of solved this with their, um, I don't do it much, but like you can use your phone camera now and like, I can put it up over here and like, use that as my webcam. pretty high quality. And it's such Elysse: an annoying pop up when I got my new phone, where it was like, did you know that you can use? And I was like, yes, literally every time I turn the camera on, you tell me this, I, please. And there wasn't like a, Like don't show again. It was just like, I'm going to tell you every time. So you don't forget. That's Shawn: funny. We could 3d print little mounts so you could put your phone up there. Gavin: Oh, that's a cool idea. Shawn: So it's Gavin: easier. Yeah. Shawn: Yeah. Gavin: [00:54:00] Cause I always like forget something or don't have a holder. So it's like down here and you're looking up my nose. Nobody wants that. Hey, it's Sean. Elysse: So last week we told you guys that Gavin bought the. Input Gavin: logic bot. Elysse: Input logic for tax reasons. Input logic bot. The, sorry, not Tadpole, Neo, the DJI Neo, which is a tiny little baby drone, selfie drone that follows you. Um, and they ditched me this morning and tried it. Gavin: Yeah. Grab, grab the actual drone off the desk there, Sean, so you can show people. Where is it? The size of it. It's on the, the, um, desk Sebastian usually sits at. Elysse: Okay, so for just your listeners, um, wow. Oh, I thought you were going to run into that pole, Sean. Wow. Okay. So it almost Shawn: runs into the pole. Okay. I'm going to go get the drone so I can show you. Elysse: We're we're watching a video of, um, Them testing the drone [00:55:00] out. And right now it's following Sean up the street. He's trying to like deke it out into traffic and stuff. And it's doing a pretty good job of following me Gavin: around. It's so cool. Elysse: Yeah, Gavin: it was fun. It was like, and what's cool. And you don't see it in the, this actual footage. If you're watching it online is you hold out your hand, you put it into like a certain test mode there. Sean's got it in his hand and it's honestly not much bigger than your palm. Right. It's crazy. So you hold it out in front of you. How do I turn it on? Uh, the bottom button, you press once and then hold it. And the lights will go like, doo doo doo doo. Anyway, you hold it out. Oh, Elysse: and you both got in it. It doesn't just do Gavin: I was trying to trick it and be like, follow me, follow me. And then it wouldn't. It, like, it did a really good job of tracking only Sean. Which, I was impressed, you know? I'm like, is it just trying to track, like, a person? Elysse: Do you should do? And this is just a joke for you and Adrian. Is for one of you to do it [00:56:00] and then the other, try and swap out and see it. Cause it must recognize it. We tried that. It Shawn: didn't work. Yeah. I did it to make it switch. Yeah. Yeah. Gavin: I was honestly impressed. I'm like, wow, it's got like some amount of like AI chip something. Uh, we almost get hit by a bus right here. Yeah, Adrian's like, let the, the bus is like not slowing down at all. Is Elysse: it, what's the, do we know what the, what it is like the technology in it that's tracking? I Shawn: assume it's video face recognition. Elysse: Okay. But Gavin: it's the back of your head. Elysse: I wonder if it's Gavin: color, like a color code, like our colors are different. If we dress similar, like, is it using, um, like infrared? It's like, oh, this doesn't match the map of that person. You know what I mean? And the video is choppy here maybe because like we're trying to stream it online because it's 4k But when I watch it on like my computer downloaded, it's like a 4k quite high res, you know like this isn't like cinema value stuff, but like if you're a [00:57:00] An influencer or just like a vlogger or something. And you're going to like tour around places you're traveling. It can do different shop modes. We just have it in follow mode right now. Like it's, it's incredible. And like, you, you don't need, you can control it with your phone. There's actually a remote you can control in flight with, but honestly, this little thing, you just throw it in your bag, lift it up and be like, okay, follow me for a bit. And like, you get all this cool footage. Shawn: I legit can't figure out how to turn it on though. Elysse: I was just about to say i'm impressed that it can Like recognize there are leaves and a tree in front of it and it got stuck in the branches It hit the tree. Yeah, but it recovered Gavin: and I was impressed too. But yeah, it doesn't it's not perfect about avoiding stuff Elysse: Oh, that's so neat So when you guys got to white rabbit did it wait outside for you or did you bring it in? Shawn: You can fast forward to there. I I hold up my hand and it lands in my hand Which is also cool. It's like, come here, little pet drone. Elysse: Yeah. It feels very, there's like a, a very animal quality to it. But I, Shawn: I kind of wanted to put googly eyes and fur on it. [00:58:00] Elysse: I was experimenting. Great. Gavin: It is great. Like other than that chubbiness we're seeing right now, can you Elysse: do further away, like, can you set the distance? So Gavin: there's a couple of different modes. We're in, we're in high up, there's different levels. So there's low. So it'd be lower down to the ground, shooting you flat, which is like shoulder height and then high, which is what it's at right now. And then this is, I think, closer medium. So it can go either closer and then further back as well. So you get a good job following me there. Elysse: It's interesting. Cause when you deke it out, Sean, like when you, when you do like erratic stuff, it goes, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Like you can see that it like takes a minute to like adjust and think about what you're doing and where to go. Shawn: Yeah. It just like froze on my, on my face. Um, my biggest takeaway from this is I need to work on my posture. Yes. Elysse: Like check this out, when you go around the corner to the stairs, you do some erratic movements and it's, it literally takes a minute to think about it. Gavin: Well, which is like, I mean, I feel like it's kind of impressive that it [00:59:00] even, Figured out what was going on. You know, it's a For how small that is and how cheap it was really? I mean the one I got the package I got was 400 bucks But it was that drone the battery the spare batteries and the controller just because I wanted to try everything But you can buy just the drone with the one battery and it's like 300 bucks or something Can it is Shawn: insanely useful and high quality and it and it works I feel like every realtor in the world is just gonna have one of these now. Gavin: Yeah, I mean Or just like families going on like vacation trips and you want like cool shots because you can do like these flyweight modes There's this one called rocket where it just goes straight up and everybody looks at it and kind of gives you a view of like What's around you? It's incredible It's like if you're going to somewhere cool that you've never been before with your family and you want Awesome. Like selfie shots, like for the 300. Why wouldn't you buy this? Elysse: Yeah, that's great. Um, yeah, this is great. Shawn: Yeah. A plus. A Elysse: plus plus. Have you ever Shawn: [01:00:00] reviewed a product aside from the 3d printer? I guess where we're like, this is so cool. Everything's cool. Elysse: A ton of, well, we, I mean, we had actually a lot of views on the R one, um, video, but, Shawn: oh, I mean, but the R one, I would consider that a negative review. We weren't very happy with that product. It was the worst. Yeah. Um, but we're super happy with this DJ, I think Elysse: for our 50 listeners, if there's other things that you want Gavin to buy and try, I'm sorry, input Gavin: logic to buy. Elysse: Uh, send us a link if it's, I don't know, ideally under a grand 500 bucks. Gavin: Yeah, yeah, I mean, the 3D printer was a little over that, but um, we are actually using it for work stuff, but Elysse: I don't believe that at this point. I just have to throw that out there. Well, the Gavin: goal is to, I haven't figured out how to do the multicolor printing for the Van Hub badges, but that's one of the things we want to do. Hey, that walk to the coffee shop was for work. Like, I need this caffeine to get my job done. Oh yeah, 100%. That's footage. That's, that's Instagram footage. Elysse: Before we wrap, [01:01:00] can you do one more, uh Just, um, look at your desk, Sean, and tell me if that, if there's another dick in the vicinity because there's gotta be, Shawn: I really hope there is a little bit afraid to be honest. I, Gavin: I don't know. Mulder's just snickering in the corner. Gavin knows, Elysse: right? Gavin: No, I don't. I think Mulder planted Shawn: those. I think I found them all. I'm all right. Thankfully. Gavin: What were you going to say? We better wrap on that before we say dick. And that's a wrap. Thanks everybody podcast. Elysse: See you next time. Gavin: [01:02:00] Bye.